blonde & Poker Trillion

[Laxie]

Robert's been banned form a forum?! 

*Giggles

PS  I'm betting they're owed money too.  Just a hunch.

A totally unacceptable and needless post has been made about PT on another forum. They then felt the need to post that on here without asking my permission, hence that person is now banned.

The most important thing here is that players funds are not in danger whatsoever.

Whether PT owe PL money is my business as the owner of PL and nobody needs to know anything about, bar me - it's certainly got nothing to do with the members.

I am in contact with PT and we'll see what comes out of that, but I am absolutely adamant, that players funds are not in danger here, so please do not stop playing because of what has been said.

The PL freeroll has also been guaranteed by the network and will go ahead as planned.

I will know more regarding PT in the next week to 10 days.

Please respect the fact I am not allowing replies to this announcement, as it will only serve to escalate a situation that does not involve poker players - it involves website owners.

[tikay]

Got to admire the Punters Lounge care of their members. I drew their attention to this thread, they are owed a freeroll.

They lock their thread and then this:

"You have been banned for the following reason:
You speak to me before you start posting crap like that.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

Paul Ross, I miss you already x

This is all very sad Robert.

I, we, have no issues with Punters Lounge, & never have.

We, in blonde, procrastinated for an age as to our Duty of Care.

It was a very tough call for us. Going public was never intended as a means to pressurise PT into paying - that kite would never fly, in fact it makes recovery harder - we ain't that daft, we know that. But how long, knowing what we know, should we, or other Creditors, keep schtum, while they continue to advertise, &, presumably, sign up new Members, parallel with racking up what I understand to be significant, & mounting, debts?

I suspect they & we are in the same, tough, spot. We decided, eventually, to go the route we did, because we thought the Members (those we encouraged to sign up tp PT) needed to know.

It's possible we chose the wrong road. But PT have not paid, or answered the questions we asked of them. We advised them, again & again, we would seek redress, & inform our Members. They never responded.

I've said it many times. I have no issue with Punters Lounge, & wish them all well. They run their business their way, we ours. That's as it should be.

[redsimon]

A cash out question...I have $11 on PT (I left  $11 and withdrew the rest in November 2008, but didn't play the last Forum Challenge event). Anyone want it transferring to them if Im unable to cash out? Just off to PT to see if such a small sum can be cashed. If not anyone who wants it can have it

[tikay]

Thanks for the information Tikay

My balance on Trillion is a lot more than a nitty microstakes freerolling whore would care to admit - so I confess I read your posts from an entirely selfish perspective. I've now requested a withdrawal and waiting with crossed fingers. Unfortunately, I guess with it being Friday Evening, there's not a lot of chance of hearing anthing before early next week (even in "ordinary" circumstances)

Whilst it's comforting to hear that players funds are ringfenced, I keep thinking back to the Microgaming/Tusk situation - I haven't kept up to date with the latest, but so far as I know the players lost their balances when Tusk went under and microgaming wouldn't get involved ...... If microgaming can not sort out Tusk players, then my gut feel is that Everleaf would have far more difficulty sorting out Trillion players (if Maltese regulation is tougher and players funds are ring fenced, that's a relief)

I understand your worry, but, as I've repeatedly said, I think everyone (Players, not creditors) will be just fine.

[Laxie]

I'm sorry, but I don't give a toss about the few bucks I have on there as much as I do the amount they've stuffed ye for. 

[tikay]

A cash out question...I have $11 on PT (I left  $11 and withdrew the rest in November 2008, but didn't play the last Forum Challenge event). Anyone want it transferring to them if Im unable to cash out? Just off to PT to see if such a small sum can be cashed. If not anyone who wants it can have it

I believe there is a minimum cashout value of $20.

I Deposited for one of the Forum Challenge Heats, after getting some stick for not supporting the Promotion, & I seem to recall the $20 minimum T & C.

[tikay]

"......A totally unacceptable and needless post has been made about PT on another forum. They then felt the need to post that on here without asking my permission, hence that person is now banned.

The most important thing here is that players funds are not in danger whatsoever.

Whether PT owe PL money is my business as the owner of PL and nobody needs to know anything about, bar me - it's certainly got nothing to do with the members.

I am in contact with PT and we'll see what comes out of that, but I am absolutely adamant, that players funds are not in danger here, so please do not stop playing because of what has been said.

The PL freeroll has also been guaranteed by the network and will go ahead as planned.

I will know more regarding PT in the next week to 10 days.

Please respect the fact I am not allowing replies to this announcement, as it will only serve to escalate a situation that does not involve poker players - it involves website owners......"


It's a matter of opinion if the Posts are "unacceptable & needless". It's unacceptable that they refuse to pay their creditors though.

And "they", being blonde as a Company, did not Post on Punters Lounge about the matter. Individual Members did, which is entirely a matter for them.

I have said on countless occasions, I believe Players money is safe. But under the circumstances, I belive Duty of Care to our Members required us to make them aware.

This would never have been an issue if they had paid us. They did not, so it's all got a bit messy, & unpleasant. We are a Ltd Company, with Shareholders, & we have a fiduciary duty to behave in a responsible manner as to these debts.

".....I will know more regarding PT in the next week to 10 days......"

Us, too. But that week to 10 days has lasted 7 months now.

[boldie]

this week I send £100 to Boldie, a man I have never met and who frankly looks like a serial killer, for him to put bets on horses for me - why?

great line. sounds like the intro to a dave gorman book

It is a great line...that's why I hacked into Dave's account and posted it

[Robert HM]

A cash out question...I have $11 on PT (I left  $11 and withdrew the rest in November 2008, but didn't play the last Forum Challenge event). Anyone want it transferring to them if Im unable to cash out? Just off to PT to see if such a small sum can be cashed. If not anyone who wants it can have it

I believe there is a minimum cashout value of $20.

I Deposited for one of the Forum Challenge Heats, after getting some stick for not supporting the Promotion, & I seem to recall the $20 minimum T & C.

I had a joke $3 left in the account, wanted to dump it and erase the software. $10 now FML.

[redsimon]

A cash out question...I have $11 on PT (I left  $11 and withdrew the rest in November 2008, but didn't play the last Forum Challenge event). Anyone want it transferring to them if Im unable to cash out? Just off to PT to see if such a small sum can be cashed. If not anyone who wants it can have it

I believe there is a minimum cashout value of $20.

I Deposited for one of the Forum Challenge Heats, after getting some stick for not supporting the Promotion, & I seem to recall the $20 minimum T & C.

I had a joke $3 left in the account, wanted to dump it and erase the software. $10 now FML.

Do you want my $11 then? You can cash out 20?

[Dingdell]

Question - do they ever send players to the wsop? If so do any of their suits go out? If so I suggest that Blonde take legal action against them for the money owed and, when it's not paid after the court case, advise immigration and the powers that be that they have a judgement against them and see if they are less happy to let them in the country.

Or something similar along those lines....just a thought. If you can't get paid get mad and even.

[AndrewT]

A totally unacceptable and needless post has been made about PT on another forum. They then felt the need to post that on here without asking my permission, hence that person is now banned.

The most important thing here is that players funds are not in danger whatsoever.

Whether PT owe PL money is my business as the owner of PL and nobody needs to know anything about, bar me - it's certainly got nothing to do with the members.

Forum does deal with poker site - encourages members to play there then, when there are legitimate concerns about the financial stability of the company, it's 'got nothing to do with the members'...

I would suggest that the PL forum members may take a different view - I certainly prefer the Blonde way of doing things.

[byronkincaid]

is Robert Cooper not one of the owners?

[tikay]

A totally unacceptable and needless post has been made about PT on another forum. They then felt the need to post that on here without asking my permission, hence that person is now banned.

The most important thing here is that players funds are not in danger whatsoever.

Whether PT owe PL money is my business as the owner of PL and nobody needs to know anything about, bar me - it's certainly got nothing to do with the members.

Forum does deal with poker site - encourages members to play there then, when there are legitimate concerns about the financial stability of the company, it's 'got nothing to do with the members'...

I would suggest that the PL forum members may take a different view - I certainly prefer the Blonde way of doing things.

God Bless you Andrew. That sums up the dilemma Rich & I have been wrestling with for months.

In truth, we messed up - we should have pulled the plug months ago. But that was well awkward, because the blondes were part way through a Freeroll with a Value of $5,000 to them. So we were in a bit of a corner, really, &, on reflection, we got it wrong. If only we'd known we would lose the Forum Challenge!

I take full responsibility for not fessing up earlier. It was a tricky one, & I dithered.

But earlier, later, it comes to the same thing. They should have honoured their debts, then all this would have been avoided.

You can't go round in life deliberately knocking people for money, eventually it all comes out on top. We spoke first. Others will follow.

[tikay]

is Robert Cooper not one of the owners?

It was my understanding that, pre-September, Achilleas & Robert were joint investors/backers.

Achilleas told me he was no longer involved or connected, since 5 or 6 months back, & I assume Robert - another good friend to me down the years - would act in concert with Achilleas. So if Achilleas is not involved now - & he he is not, because he told me so, in a 'phone call, then ditto Robert. 

God, this is all so uncomforatble, talking about friends in this manner. What a mess.