blonde & Poker Trillion

[tikay]

Sorry, while typing that I missed a bunch of messages... no harm intended - I genuinely believe all decisions have been and will continue to be made with the best interests of the community in mind, but it may be a different sort of thing than previously.  I suggest everyone wait for tikay to elucidate in a more elegant fashion, although I don't think it's a 'secret' - blonde has always been straight with its members.

Thank you Jen, yes, please do. I won't be long. Luckily, I type at the speed of finger. One finger.

[Jon MW]

In response to Tikays query regarding the player database.

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The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

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If that's a legal contract then them seizing it is legal, and I'm assuming that neither Poker Trillion nor Everleaf would have signed or created the contract without a lawyer.

[DaveShoelace]

In response to Tikays query regarding the player database.

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The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

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If that's a legal contract then them seizing it is legal, and I'm assuming that neither Poker Trillion nor Everleaf would have signed or created the contract without a lawyer.

It wouldn't surprise me if Poker Trillion had signed a contract without a lawyer, but with a bunch of bouncers, in invisible ink on the back of a bus ticket.

[Robert HM]

In response to Tikays query regarding the player database.

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The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

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If that's a legal contract then them seizing it is legal, and I'm assuming that neither Poker Trillion nor Everleaf would have signed or created the contract without a lawyer.

It's not the contract between those two that matters, it's the overriding law on the administration of debts that will count.

[Acidmouse]

Is it not Andy Pyrah on the Sky poker adverts talking about poker should be a game for gentlemen and good manners etc? lol...I bet hes laughing.

[DaveShoelace]

Is it not Andy Pyrah on the Sky Poker adverts talking about poker should be a game for gentlemen and good manners etc? lol...I bet hes laughing.

Yep, nearly as bad as that nasty man in the adverts with a moustache that slowrolls, rubs down and bullies everyone.

[Colchester Kev]

Oh by the way ...


blonde game tonight at 8.30pm .... Register early

[Jon MW]

In response to Tikays query regarding the player database.

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The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

...

If that's a legal contract then them seizing it is legal, and I'm assuming that neither Poker Trillion nor Everleaf would have signed or created the contract without a lawyer.

It's not the contract between those two that matters, it's the overriding law on the administration of debts that will count.

That's what I meant by, 'if it's a legal contract' - my apologies if I offended your legal mind by not wording that correctly.

[tikay]

Trillion, & the Individuals concerned.

Colin.

I genuinely feel for him. He's marked our card, up to a point, for some weeks. He's not been paid for months. I suggested this morning he's probably got himself paid up, as part of the arrangement for him to move to Rock Em Poker. It seems I was wrong, & I apologise for suggesting otherwise. But, if he has not been paid up, well, he's missed a trick - in his spot, I think I'd have said to Everleaf/Rock Em - "yes, I'll come across I'll give you continuity of Management, but settle me up first, please". But that's between them & him.

Has Colin been straight with us? Yes. Mostly........He has been most helpful, he has. But he told us he never knew who his financial backers or owners in Trillion were........ Hmm, that kite takes some flying. But it matters not now, & I empthise with the tough spot he was in. There's no bad feelings twixt him & blonde, or myself, none at all.

Andy Pyrah.

Everyone seems to be on Andy's case. He's been a good friend to me for years, & I am not fickle, I don't disown pals easily, & until I have proof they have turned me over. I have no such proof, & absolutely nil evidence suggesting malpractice by him. I had one person tell me Andy was a piece of shit. Well he might be, but not to my knowledge, he's always been right by me, up until this last few months, when he suddenly became un-contactable. I did get hold of him about 2 months back, told him it was not personal, & we'd remain OK personally whatever happened. Right now, that's stilll the case.

It's my understanding that even now, Andy is the CEO of Poker Trillion. Some poor bugger had to be. The only thing he tweaked my tail on was as to the identity of Trllion's Financial backers, after Achillas severed ties in August or September. He claimed not to know. I don't believe that for a second. But put yourself n Andy's spot - it's difficult. He's not been paid for months, either, or so I'm led to believe. And I do believe that.

So many of us have become entangled in this mess, all because Trillon's backers ran a scam, & we all got turned over. Thankfully, not the players.

Rich & myself.

I cannot begin to tell you how much time we've wasted on Trillion. Costed up, in hourly terms, it's way more than £7k. Too bad. But it's time wasted, time I'll never get back, & at my age, I resent that deeply.

Achilleas.

I was informed this morning, by a very good source, that Achilleas & Robert Cooper remain in contril of Trillion, "behind the scenes".

Well, I asked Achilleas that very question, two weeks ago. He utterly, 100%, denied it. He's never wronged me, to my knowledge, ever. (Quite the opposite, he saved me £3,000 once by simply being honourable). He's a pal. What am I supposed to believe? I hold the view that he told me the truth. If I'm wrong, so be it. It does not matter, really, because the money has gone.

The money does not matter THAT much, & if small-minded lowlifes really wanna steal £200k or £300k from Poker Trillions Trade Creditors that much, well, so be it.

I sleep as sound as sound can be at night. I regret many things, but I don't scam anyone, ever. Trillion cannot say the same, they've lifted a good few legs & got away with it.

I'm not gonna waste the rest of my life, or this year, month, or week even, chasing these folks. It's done, next case.

But I would say to anyone thinking of Depositing with Rock Em Poker - be careful.  Plenty will though.

[tikay]

In response to Tikays query regarding the player database.

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The contract (like most others I assume) stipulates that in this scenario the player database becomes the responsibility of the network.

...

If that's a legal contract then them seizing it is legal, and I'm assuming that neither Poker Trillion nor Everleaf would have signed or created the contract without a lawyer.

"IF" being the key word. You only have someone's word that it is so. I have not seen that Contract.

In any event, Common Law over-rides commercial contracts. Common Law says all Creditors shall be treated equally. Except Preferential Creditors, who have to be pre-determined.

[tikay]

I need to tell you about some other stuff now, unrelated to Poker Trilllion, so bear with me while I type that up on a new Thread.

The Trillion money has gone, end of story. I just want peeps to be aware of what happened, & how, so that if they are tempted to sign up & Deposit to Rock Em Poker, they know the background to what Rock Em Poker really is - it's Trillion by another name, minus the debts. Almost like Magic.

[tikay]

Tikay,

I did send you and Rich (and also spoken to Rich) an email explaining this in a little more detail.

For the record I was not paid off, like Blonde and many others I am still owed a load. I have accepted a position, for which I am very grateful in the current climate.

Not playing at Rockem as Trillion didnt pay will only harm the good guys who have taken responsibility for the offers and players.

We all have a common interest in doing what we can to secure monies owed by Trillion.

On another note, I have been very humbled by the notes of personal support on this board. Your right, it is a very difficult situation, and whilst these messages are pleasant reading, I do fully understand the reason why this thread is here, and that is because Blonde have not been paid what they are rightly due. Regardless of my own sitution, having personally set up the deal and the challenge series, I do feel responsible.  I have been in pretty much an impossible situation now for a few months, and if I can do the right thing by Blonde, PL or any of the others in the future, then rest assured I will

Col

Thanks Colin.

With due respect, who are "the good guys"?. Fair play to Everleaf for stepping in, but do you think that did that for......

a) The Players?

or....

b) To alleviate the debt they are owed by Trillion?

I fail to see how playing on Rock Em Poker will help Trillion Trade Creditors. Can you enlighten us, please? I exempt, of course, the Creditor "Eveleaf", clearly it WILL help them.

[redsimon]

The PT site went tits up because it offered gtd tournies, rakeback, bonuses etc....yet isn't rockem offering the same things (according to the Feb newsletter from Colin?)...not going to touch them with a bargepole

[Laxie]

The PT site went tits up because it offered gtd tournies, Rakeback, bonuses etc....yet isn't rockem offering the same things (according to the Feb newsletter from Colin?)...not going to touch them with a bargepole

+1

[Dingdell]

The PT site went tits up because it offered gtd tournies, Rakeback, bonuses etc....yet isn't rockem offering the same things (according to the Feb newsletter from Colin?)...not going to touch them with a bargepole

Exactly my thoughts - the same business plan (that failed) but under a different name. Where is the sense in that? Changing the name and running the business as before - which has already been proved not be financially viable. I wonder which of the publications will take their adverts only to find themselves not paid again in a few months. If I were them I'd ask for payment in advance before publishing, and I hope that someone will alert them to the previous problems and suggest this to them.

There will be those that will love the overlay and play anyway but shame on you. I for one will not be playing, let Rockem go the same way as PT, they don't deserve to survive after leaving thousands of pound worth of debt behind them without one ounce of remorse or guilt.

I assume that the directors/owners of PT have still not managed to pick up the phone and apologise to Blonde?

Debt owed; £7K
Apology; priceless.

Poker really is a gentlemans game.....