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« on: January 26, 2009, 11:50:39 AM »

£1/£2 live cash

Loose game, 9 handed, full of aggressive spewy types.

I am the most selective at the table, and have won a couple of smallball pots to get to £260, but had to showdown each time

The opportunity to bluff is really only present against two of the tighter players at the table, the rest will call you down with all sorts. Great if you are hitting hands, frustrating if a little out of form

In this particular pot sensible Player A raises to £8 in mid position, playing £230

Player B, clueless and two buy ins down and reloaded at £200, calls in the cut off. He'll go a long way if he hits part of a flop, but not interested if he misses

Hero on the button with  takes a flop in position, already with half an eye on trading off his image down the line which has been commented on several times. It usually is!

Big blind calls

£33 in the pot

Flop

three diamonds

Blind checks

Player A bets £20, routine C-bet on that flop.

Player B folds, which makes it easier

Hero makes it £50 repping a made hand like overpair

Blind folds

Player A flats, frankly I've underdone my raise size and priced him in with loads I think

£133 in pot

Turn

 , a blank you'd think

Checked to Hero

Hero follows through £100

Called after a huge dwell

£333 in pot and we're now shallow I'm about £100 behind, he's about £80 behind

Still my story is consistent with 88+ I hope. Problem is he might have too, albeit he's not got 1010+ you'd think, played this passively

River

 Two Clubs, another blank you'd think

Checked again

With no showdown value I'm in a spot, as a push all-in is likely to be called given pot size and the fact he's got enough to call two bets

Faced with two unappetising options I push in, monster dwell eventually called with a sigh by  to claim the pot


OK, so I am opening myself up for oppobrium here. Never mind my skin is thick. Opening up one's game comes with these problems huh?

Please critically appraise the hand post flop.



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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 11:59:08 AM »

Isn't the problem here just

[  ] Three barreling live £1/£2 poker players is a good idea.

Also, as an aside does 'Great if you are hitting hands, frustrating if a little out of form' just mean that out of form = unlucky. I've always wondered what poker players are referring to when they talk about 'form' - from the context it always seems that they're referring to luck, and not identifying as luck something which is just luck seems a leak.
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 11:59:17 AM »

dont bluff live EVER

i tried it once in the summer of 2005 and again around christmas time niether of which worked, i had another go late 2006 which didnt get through either.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 12:03:23 PM »

First of all, a very well worded post, simple, clear and easy to get a feel of things.

I dont really like the flop raise, fine if your semi-bluffing with some sort of draw, but you nothing, diddly-squat, best card comes down a 9, you still have no idea where you are really.

If you really do fancy the raise, i'm shutting down once he calls, and not putting anymore into the pot on this one.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2009, 12:06:57 PM »

As played I think you didnt lay out the sequence too badly for the player to follow, With 55 imho he should be folding to the flop reraise however he stayed in.

Only problem i see is the river, you know he wont fold for the £80 back, he has invested too much not " to see" you at this point, check behind is the only thin i do differently here, His call on the tun confirms he is seeing the river btw. IMO anyway

either this chap had a great read on you or he was frustrated and decided he was seeing this hand to the end.

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 12:08:17 PM »

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Hero makes it £50 repping a made hand like overpair

you raise 99 here? if so what do you do if he reraises?

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 12:09:58 PM »

Isn't the problem here just

[  ] Three barreling live £1/£2 poker players is a good idea.

Also, as an aside does 'Great if you are hitting hands, frustrating if a little out of form' just mean that out of form = unlucky. I've always wondered what poker players are referring to when they talk about 'form' - from the context it always seems that they're referring to luck, and not identifying as luck something which is just luck seems a leak.


fair enough. I was simply referring to the fact in that session the dispersion of starting hands/post flop situations wasn't that promising over that short sample. 

Obviously I then tried to make something happen, which in itself increases variance.

I think I picked my player right, or maybe not. Either way, I am asking if the story I told had "holes". If not, maybe I have easy reads or was just out-played.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2009, 12:11:04 PM »

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you raise 99 here? if so what do you do if he reraises?



bare in mind if the words: "info" and "fold" are included in the answer flushy will beat you to death with a 24 DVD box set.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2009, 12:11:37 PM »

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you raise 99 here? if so what do you do if he reraises?



I think I do raise 99 there yes versus that player. That was what I was conveying, or trying to

If he then shoves well of course the bluff has failed there and then

Thinking out loud perhaps I failed to accurately peg his range of  hand post flop or post turn.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2009, 12:14:11 PM »

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think I do raise 99 there yes versus that player. That was what I was conveying, or trying to

If he then shoves well of course the bluff has failed there and then

so you're saying you would turn 99 into a bluff?
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 12:19:42 PM »

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think I do raise 99 there yes versus that player. That was what I was conveying, or trying to

If he then shoves well of course the bluff has failed there and then

so you're saying you would turn 99 into a bluff?

I see. I would then wouldn't I?
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 12:19:55 PM »

Isn't the problem here just

[  ] Three barreling live £1/£2 poker players is a good idea.

Also, as an aside does 'Great if you are hitting hands, frustrating if a little out of form' just mean that out of form = unlucky. I've always wondered what poker players are referring to when they talk about 'form' - from the context it always seems that they're referring to luck, and not identifying as luck something which is just luck seems a leak.


fair enough. I was simply referring to the fact in that session the dispersion of starting hands/post flop situations wasn't that promising over that short sample. 

Obviously I then tried to make something happen, which in itself increases variance.

I think I picked my player right, or maybe not. Either way, I am asking if the story I told had "holes". If not, maybe I have easy reads or was just out-played.

If this was a tournament then, yes, 'making something happen' would be a good idea if things weren't going your way. But on a live cash table 'full of aggressive spewy types' I think a better idea is just to sit there and wait for the money to get redistributed your way. Boring, yes, but I think it's the thing to do.

Also, seeing as villain called three streets with an underpair, I don't think you did pick your player right. He called the turn (a turn which changed nothing) after a huge dwell; I don't think he put you on a bluff - he just wasn't good enough to let his 55 go.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 12:26:23 PM »

I think you would have been much better re raising preflop with the hand tbh and this would have had a much stronger effect than calling from the button then firing two shells. Also with a hand like 88/99 if you are raising this flop are you not gona be checking behind a lot on the turn for pot control and incase the guy has hit trips or has you beat.

I think the guy makes an easy call on the flop with 55 tbh not 100% of the call on the turn and all lot of the time he is going to hero call you on the river for £80.

I have never played with you, but from reading your posts on here you seem to have a very tight solid image and that combined with the dead money from the cold caller and the fact you are on the button im sure your taking this pot down a high % of the time re raising preflop and if called firing the flop/turn.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 12:30:39 PM »

One question Tighty, Why not Overbet the pot on the turn and shove?

Now as i see it, it would look that you are reading him for the over pair and you expect the call from a shove on the turn.

If he thinks through it he may lay down to that  then again he may not. its all a wee bit meta at this point.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2009, 12:35:54 PM »

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think I do raise 99 there yes versus that player. That was what I was conveying, or trying to

If he then shoves well of course the bluff has failed there and then

so you're saying you would turn 99 into a bluff?

I see. I would then wouldn't I?

i think to raise 99 with these stacks on that flop you either have to be a very very good player or a fish. makes it so much easier for the average player to be polarised, in fact if your op has a clue he called you down because you ought to be polarised.
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