Was this just bad play here?

[Muso-Tim]

Ok, I'm feeling pretty bad at this point since the poker gods had been toying with me - giving me second best hands (A-Q vs A-K) for a few hands.  My shove was possibly tilt although I don't normally get that emotional.

Other than a possible pre-flop raise, what do you do different here?

Many thanks, you guys are really helping me out

** Hand # 1124187883 starting - 2009-02-08 19:40:55
** $4 High Stack NLHE Freezeout[1741117]:Table 6 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (1000.00|2000.00 NL - MTT) Real Money

SkInNy_86 sitting in seat 1 with 7641.78[Dealer]
jockk sitting in seat 2 with 71215.16
homes5 sitting in seat 3 with 30417.40
Paul1972rfc sitting in seat 4 with 14777.34
KingBilly24 sitting in seat 5 with 67705.30
salmonspread sitting in seat 6 with 15773.70
MusoTim sitting in seat 7 with 22281.30
bigbrickie sitting in seat 8 with 2360.22
mfordy sitting in seat 9 with 11912.50
neil003 sitting in seat 10 with 23690.00
jockk posted the small blind - 500.00
homes5 posted the big blind - 1000.00

** Dealing cards to MusoTim: , 
Paul1972rfc folded
KingBilly24 called - 1000.00
salmonspread folded
MusoTim called - 1000.00
bigbrickie folded
mfordy folded
neil003 folded
SkInNy_86 folded
jockk called - 1000.00
homes5 checked

** Dealing the flop: , ,
jockk checked
homes5 checked
KingBilly24 bet - 4000.00
MusoTim called - 4000.00
jockk called - 4000.00
homes5 folded

** Dealing the turn:
jockk checked
KingBilly24 bet - 4000.00
MusoTim went all-in - 17281.30
jockk called - 17281.30
KingBilly24 called - 17281.30

** Dealing the river:
jockk went all-in - 49433.86
KingBilly24 went all-in - 45424.00
jockk shows:  ,
KingBilly24 shows: ,
jockk wins 67843.90 from the main pot
jockk wins 90848.00 from side pot 1

[GreekStein]

'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'

Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play.

[boldie]

'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'

Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play.

This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you.

[Muso-Tim]

Ok...but it wasn't an open limp, I called.  As you say, I never open limp!

[bolt pp]

he didnt open limp did he?

still, raise pre pls

[boldie]

Ok...but it wasn't an open limp, I called.  As you say, I never open limp!

oopps, my bad.

OK, if a hand is good enough to limp with..it's good enough to raise with.

As read in a fortune cookie.

[bolt pp]

'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'

Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play.

This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you.

Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you?

Ram Vaswani open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping)

if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be

[boldie]

'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'

Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play.

This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you.

Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you?

Ram Vaswani open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping)

if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be

As a basis it's a pretty good guideline IMO. As there are many good basic guidelines...like telling a newbie to just stick to ABC poker. This doesn't mean stick to it forever..it just means..it's a good idea at the beginning.

[MANTIS01]

In other words you can open limp when your balls have reached the circumference found only in players of experience.

[boldie]

In other words you can open limp when your balls have reached the circumference found only in players of experience.

I haven't felt Ram's balls for a while..but I'm sure they're massive

[AlexMartin]

open limping is fine, as long as you know what ur doing imo.

[thetank]

Would be interested to know what people think of the post flop line here.

I think I prefer a flop raise on draw heavy board like this. Would it commit us to the pot?

[George2Loose]

can we talk abut how king billy played this hand instead?

[DUNK619]

'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'

Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play.

This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you.

Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you?

Ram Vaswani open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping)

if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be

   i agree play 200/400 and open limp every hand

[bolt pp]

'Other than a possible pre-flop raise what do you do different here?'

Bro just don't open limp and the rest of the hand becomes 10 times easier to play.

This. Never open limp is the best advice anyone can give you.

Is there more to this boldie or is that just it for you?

Ram Vaswani open limps for living(esp on the buttom) and he seems to like it, the top boys at fulltilt playing supper agg nose bleed open limp to mix it up all the time, i understand the obvious EV reasons of not open limping ever when you play stts/mtts for a living and are jamming 12 tables at a time, and a million tourneys a year(that being said looking at tanks holdem manager thing thread there are examples of him.............yes......open limping)

if you play 8 million tourneys at once fair enough, but you're allowed to mix up your play a bit if needs be

   i agree play 200/400 and open limp every hand

who you agreeing with? not me, i didnt say that shit.