Should exctasy be downgraded to class B?

[Wardonkey]

Just one difference between me and bolt.

roids?

1/2 a point

[mondatoo]

The % of the 33 who voted no but have actually taken Ecstasy? 0% maybe?

I aint ever took it and voted no

I agree with bolt the other factors are also relevant imo

For instance people who have taken quite a few e's in one night are pretty much non responsive haven't got a clue what there doing where they are or nowt,that's pretty horrible imo.BTW this is totally different to being smashed off the drink,i aint seen anyone in as bad a state off achohol as I have ecstasy

[Nem]

The % of the 33 who voted no but have actually taken Ecstasy? 0% maybe?

I aint ever took it and voted no

I agree with bolt the other factors are also relevant imo

For instance people who have taken quite a few e's in one night are pretty much non responsive haven't got a clue what there doing where they are or nowt,that's pretty horrible imo.BTW this is totally different to being smashed off the drink,i aint seen anyone in as bad a state off achohol as I have ecstasy

But surely this is a human deficiency and not the drug? Legalization and education about drugs is far better than prohibition, dirty drugs, drug dealers and non educated users imo...

[bolt pp]

What other factors affect the seriousness of the drug if not the death rate?

I thought the social impact (people commiting crimes to get money for it n stuff) on ecstasy was pretty low too? So the news has been telling me.

I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to drugs, but like to think I'm always open to new info. Would you care to elaborate on what the other factors are that you're mentioning.

potency(how mashed you get in comparrison to other drugs) it's pretty much up there with anything barring crack and herion which are just in a different league, how can you have a drug that can get you so mashed and out of control, pretty much up there with anything else be a class B?

i know people who have been doing pills for nearly 20 years and i see how fcked they are now, i cant believe that hasent got something to do with pills, although i dont think theyve monitored the long term effects that in depthly yet as its kinda a new drug so they dont really know what the effects will be when you get older.

what would you get more mashed on, cocaine(not crack) or E's? E's easily yet coke is a recognised class A drug and no one wants to change that, if you were to say look how many people have died though from coke the alcohol and tobacco issue is where it all falls down for me, how many people have died from them and whats next in terms of deaths..... prescription drugs! so the three of the biggest killers are legal?

[Karabiner]

I remember seeing a table a year or so ago that listed the drugs by how much damage they did physically.

As I recall, nicotine and alcohol were very close if not at the very top of the list and were said to cause more damage to the human body than almost everything including heroin. Obviously pure forms of the drugs were used for comparison as opposed to "street" grade. I believe it was part of an argument to legalise all drugs.

So it's really a matter of how one classes "dangerous".

[Nem]

Coke is rated higher due to the psychological dependency it has. E's are easily far less addictive.

[Nem]

I remember seeing a table a year or so ago that listed the drugs by how much damage they did physically.

As I recall, nicotine and alcohol were very close if not at the very top of the list and were said to cause more damage to the human body than almost everything including heroin. Obviously pure forms of the drugs were used for comparison as opposed to "street" grade. I believe it was part of an argument to legalise all drugs.

So it's really a matter of how one classes "dangerous".

was it this table?

[Karabiner]

Coke is rated higher due to the psychological dependency it has. E's are easily far less addictive.

I think you have to differentiate between coke and crack here.

[Nem]

Coke is rated higher due to the psychological dependency it has. E's are easily far less addictive.

I think you have to differentiate between coke and crack here.

Pure cocaine and crack are the same thing. Street powder form is cut so heavily that you'll most probably get 30-60% strength. I laugh at how cocaine in powder form is glamorized yet crack is the complete opposite - yet they are both the same thing, just that crack is freebase.

[bolt pp]

Coke is rated higher due to the psychological dependency it has. E's are easily far less addictive.

I think you have to differentiate between coke and crack here.

Pure cocaine and crack are the same thing. Street powder form is cut so heavily that you'll most probably get 30-60% strength. I laugh at how cocaine in powder form is glamorized yet crack is the complete opposite - yet they are both the same thing, just that crack is freebase.

I have never in all my life heard of anyone commiting crimes(robbing houses, old people) to feed a coke(not rocks) habit!

[Nem]

I have never in all my life heard of anyone commiting crimes(robbing houses, old people) to feed a coke(not rocks) habit!

Street powder form is cut so heavily that you'll most probably get 30-60% strength. Crack is freebase

DUCY?

[bolt pp]

I have never in all my life heard of anyone commiting crimes(robbing houses, old people) to feed a coke(not rocks) habit!

Street powder form is cut so heavily that you'll most probably get 30-60% strength. Crack is freebase

DUCY?

its not just that it's cut, you would get a much more potent effect from smoking the same bit from the rock than you would sniffing it as powder.

[Jon MW]

Just one difference between me and bolt.

roids?

1/2 a point

ste?

[Wardonkey]

Just one difference between me and bolt.

roids?

1/2 a point

ste?

That would have been 5/8ths...

[byronkincaid]

I have never in all my life heard of anyone commiting crimes(robbing houses, old people) to feed a coke(not rocks) habit!

Street powder form is cut so heavily that you'll most probably get 30-60% strength. Crack is freebase

DUCY?

its not just that it's cut, you would get a much more potent effect from smoking the same bit from the rock than you would sniffing it as powder.

so if you buy crack and crush it up you get snortable pure charlie? how many rocks would make a gram roughly?