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[MANTIS01]

If the game is passive then raising pre with atc is fine imo. Why not? You recognise aggression gives you the edge to beat a tight game. So the pre-flop raise is a solid strat imo. However, in the context of this tight game any re-raise is prob going to be a premium hand, as George confirms. So why not just recognise that fact and muck the J-7? Cos what happens is you go on to call the re-raise, call the flop, and call the turn all the time with the worst hand. But you raised pre with J-7 cos you wanna defeat this passive game with aggression, so why are you calling all your chips away? What's more you know your oppo isn't bluffing so the potential to bluff a checked river if you miss is limited. You want to beat a tight game by putting your chips in passively chasing draws to bust big pairs? I think that strat is just plain bad. Especially when you know they can be used to better effect aggressively, hence why you raised with J-7.

Thats roughly what I said

Not really bud. You said push all-in for 4k vs a known premium hand with a J-high fd after villain bets 300. But if you take that bit out I would agree it's the same.

It was a joke based on my blunt response and your detailed one!

Never mind.........

Yeah I knew that. I thought my blunt reply was pretty funny.

[MC]

Weird hand,

I think you should fold to the re-raise purely cos of the range you're putting him on. Generally you'd have to call because it's such a small raise.

I actually like flop call, he's obviously got a monster...ur probs thinking AA, KK most likely at this point....shove and he probs calls, so 300 to catch a flush on the turn sounds like a good deal.

However you must fold to his turn bet. It's too much of your remaining stack, and the gutshot isn't enough to help your cause...

[MANTIS01]

If he bets 900 on the flop I fold. If he bets the right amount at any point I fold!!

Considering he's sitting on a set of queens i reckon the right amount doesn't involve you folding.

[ThudNBlunder]

And that's what his bet on the flop meant- he wanted to keep me in. But as soon as I call he knows I have SOMETHING- and with 2 draws on the turn he has to get rid of me. Leaving me with a call of 700 into a 3100 pot just won't do it- I'm getting over 4-1 on a 3-1 shot and I can't pass up a price like that- must be the Jewish blood! He's still (just) giving me the price if I only have the flush draw.
Considering that I got there- what should I have done on the river?

[Colchester Kev]

2 pages of ramblings and no one has commented on the oppos screen name .... I am concerned that standards are slipping here guys.

Sharpen up please

[Blatch]

If the game is passive then raising pre with atc is fine imo. Why not? You recognise aggression gives you the edge to beat a tight game. So the pre-flop raise is a solid strat imo. However, in the context of this tight game any re-raise is prob going to be a premium hand, as George confirms. So why not just recognise that fact and muck the J-7? Cos what happens is you go on to call the re-raise, call the flop, and call the turn all the time with the worst hand. But you raised pre with J-7 cos you wanna defeat this passive game with aggression, so why are you calling all your chips away? What's more you know your oppo isn't bluffing so the potential to bluff a checked river if you miss is limited. You want to beat a tight game by putting your chips in passively chasing draws to bust big pairs? I think that strat is just plain bad. Especially when you know they can be used to better effect aggressively, hence why you raised with J-7.

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[bolt pp]

If the game is passive then raising pre with atc is fine imo. Why not? You recognise aggression gives you the edge to beat a tight game. So the pre-flop raise is a solid strat imo. However, in the context of this tight game any re-raise is prob going to be a premium hand, as George confirms. So why not just recognise that fact and muck the J-7? Cos what happens is you go on to call the re-raise, call the flop, and call the turn all the time with the worst hand. But you raised pre with J-7 cos you wanna defeat this passive game with aggression, so why are you calling all your chips away? What's more you know your oppo isn't bluffing so the potential to bluff a checked river if you miss is limited. You want to beat a tight game by putting your chips in passively chasing draws to bust big pairs? I think that strat is just plain bad. Especially when you know they can be used to better effect aggressively, hence why you raised with J-7.

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Have you seen the episode of the simpsons where they're looking for krusty down on the docks and put a nickel in "dancing petes" cup, sigh, well done!!

[MC]

And that's what his bet on the flop meant- he wanted to keep me in. But as soon as I call he knows I have SOMETHING- and with 2 draws on the turn he has to get rid of me. Leaving me with a call of 700 into a 3100 pot just won't do it- I'm getting over 4-1 on a 3-1 shot and I can't pass up a price like that- must be the Jewish blood! He's still (just) giving me the price if I only have the flush draw.
Considering that I got there- what should I have done on the river?

A fair point, you had a few more chips to play with than I first thought, but it just feels like you're donating to his fund. AQss, AKss still possible, and you lose outs if he has a set. You probably bet about right on the river, 1800 might have been better but that's no biggie...

Just don't make a habit of playing this spewy!

[MANTIS01]

And that's what his bet on the flop meant- he wanted to keep me in. But as soon as I call he knows I have SOMETHING- and with 2 draws on the turn he has to get rid of me. Leaving me with a call of 700 into a 3100 pot just won't do it- I'm getting over 4-1 on a 3-1 shot and I can't pass up a price like that- must be the Jewish blood! He's still (just) giving me the price if I only have the flush draw.
Considering that I got there- what should I have done on the river?

Knowing you're getting the right price to call and calling isn't bad. But I think it's important to recognise that getting involved with the hand from the start has put you in a position where you're feeling compelled to chase your oppo to hit your cards and there's no workable plan B if you don't hit your cards. This is just a classic fish strat imo. The river is a great card for you as it turns out, especially cos villain's small bets meant you could have run into a bigger flush if it came. The other bonus is it looks like you missed a fd yourself...and you know your oppo has a big hand. Man, I'd want to be paid to the max for hitting that sweet card, cos most of the time you will be mucking the river after spewing chips when you don't. You think your oppo lays down a big hand if you push? I don't. There's 3,000 players left and you just missed your fd. Betting half your stack looks stronger than pushing imo, and pushing 3,000 into 3,750 is giving villain better than 2-1 anyway.

WillyFanny is funny.

[Blatch]

And that's what his bet on the flop meant- he wanted to keep me in. But as soon as I call he knows I have SOMETHING- and with 2 draws on the turn he has to get rid of me. Leaving me with a call of 700 into a 3100 pot just won't do it- I'm getting over 4-1 on a 3-1 shot and I can't pass up a price like that- must be the Jewish blood! He's still (just) giving me the price if I only have the flush draw.
Considering that I got there- what should I have done on the river?

Knowing you're getting the right price to call and calling isn't bad. But I think it's important to recognise that getting involved with the hand from the start has put you in a position where you're feeling compelled to chase your oppo to hit your cards and there's no workable plan B if you don't hit your cards. This is just a classic fish strat imo. The river is a great card for you as it turns out, especially cos villain's small bets meant you could have run into a bigger flush if it came. The other bonus is it looks like you missed a fd yourself...and you know your oppo has a big hand. Man, I'd want to be paid to the max for hitting that sweet card, cos most of the time you will be mucking the river after spewing chips when you don't. You think your oppo lays down a big hand if you push? I don't. There's 3,000 players left and you just missed your fd. Betting half your stack looks stronger than pushing imo, and pushing 3,000 into 3,750 is giving villain better than 2-1 anyway.

WillyFanny is funny.

ROFLGASMS - Thats gonna go down well

[Robert HM]

 

[ThudNBlunder]

Yeah, I agree should have shoved the river. Overthought it and thought he might fold with the 4 card straight out there- shoving looks like the missed flush and I think I get a snap call.

As I said earlier, sometimes I get too married to the pot odds and follow the hand through regardless; it's a leak that I'm addressing.

I know Blatch will be very pleased to hear I have a fish strategy ;-)

There was, however, a plan B when I called the initial re-raise. As I'd stated it was a tight table with most playing ABC poker. I figured that any flop bet was going to tell me pretty much where I was and as I was in position I was going to use that (had already done so on a couple of occasions previously).

No excuse, pot odds dictated chasing after the flop!! It's spewy I guess, and it looks fishy, but I did have some reasoning behind it.

[MANTIS01]

I know Blatch will be very pleased to hear I have a fish strategy

Anyone can play a hand like a fish. That doesn't mean you are one. A fish doesn't use the PHA board to discuss hands, analyse mistakes and plug leaks imo.

[George2Loose]

I know Blatch will be very pleased to hear I have a fish strategy

Anyone can play a hand like a fish. That doesn't mean you are one. A fish doesn't use the PHA board to discuss hands, analyse mistakes and plug leaks imo.

True that! However it was me who posted the hand so Paul you're still a fish!

[ThudNBlunder]

I know Blatch will be very pleased to hear I have a fish strategy

Anyone can play a hand like a fish. That doesn't mean you are one. A fish doesn't use the PHA board to discuss hands, analyse mistakes and plug leaks imo.

True that! However it was me who posted the hand so Paul you're still a fish!

Thanks George- nothing that everyone didn't know already