what would you do???cash live...

[sofa----king]

just a quickie,been slightly bothering me..


$5-$10-stradle$20
i raise  to $70 to play with
4 players get to see a flop pot is now about $300

flop 
check,check,there is a bet of $150,,, then i raise it to $400......

THEN player 1 cracks it up to $800 (with about $1200 behind)
 player 2 goes all in for $900 odd
player 3 folds
back to me now i have about $1500 left......what do i do??what would you do???

i rarely ask a question but i thought i should ask this as there was a lot of oooohhhhhhssss and ahhhhhssssss...


i will post what happened after your views......by the way the table was quite tight,and not very good players...

[Robert HM]

I'd cry, a lot.

[boldie]

I'd cry, a lot.

this. I'd think my FD was dead...so fold for me. (unless one of the players is really bad in which case I'd ship it in)

[daviebhoy]

I guess it depends on whether you have 12 or 3 outs. From the action the other players are going to showdown and you are probably best cutting your losses because you are 50/50 some of the time and way behind the rest of the time.

[MC]

Wow, interesting spot

2 things to worry you: If there is a higher flush draw out there, if there is a set out there.

JQhh, AQhh, AJhh are obviously no brainer all-ins, but this isn't so clear cut...

To call the flop bet is $500 into a pot of like $2500

If raiser to $800 had shoved it would be $1600 into a pot of $3700, so could consider it effecitvely over 2 to 1, assuming player 1 always calls your shove....

Or we could pass. Definitely the safe option here.

I'm not a huge fan of the play, but maybe getting 5-1, you could argue just to call and see the turn?

I don't know if this is better than folding, but perhaps it's better than shoving?

[boldie]

would you still get paid you if hit if you flat call here?

[Colchester Kev]

would you still get paid you if hit if you flat call here?

Pardon ?

[boldie]

would you still get paid you if hit if you flat call here?

Pardon ?

makes perfect sense to me...

[sofa----king]

would you still get paid you if hit if you flat call here?

Pardon ?

makes perfect sense to me...

of-course if i flat call i might aswell push as the next bet from the bettor would move all-in im sure,,
so if i did hit my fd,,the guy who cracked it up first cant pass as he would then be getting around 6-1..

[MC]

of-course if i flat call i might aswell push as the next bet from the bettor would move all-in im sure,,
so if i did hit my fd,,the guy who cracked it up first cant pass as he would then be getting around 6-1..

Are you talking about preflop? Cos surely he's only allowed to call the extra $100 and can't raise on top of it?

[sofa----king]

ANSWER ...i didnt call as i put the main bettor on a set 10's which i was right...
but i put the other guy on aq hearts which was wrong he had a set of 3's lol

a few good players said i should have called as one guy put them both on a set and said i should have called as thier hands were allready made...(i said yes but with improvement)

any way i passed so my hand  

flop    

player 1...... 10,10,10
player 2....... 3,3,3
me     i passed

turn   RIVERRRRRRRRRRRR  

I KNOW i would have hit my inside straight for a nice pot,but i can't get it out of my head that i should have called..



there was a similar hand later where i raised with 6 3 off suit 5 callers flop was 6 3 4 rainbow,a few checks i raise then get re-re-raised,i pass to see them both turn over the straight for a split pot.lol,,,yet everyone said i was right to fold this after a re-re raise...

[sofa----king]

of-course if i flat call i might aswell push as the next bet from the bettor would move all-in im sure,,
so if i did hit my fd,,the guy who cracked it up first cant pass as he would then be getting around 6-1..

Are you talking about preflop? Cos surely he's only allowed to call the extra $100 and can't raise on top of it?

after flop

[MC]

^^gotcha...fair point

The fold isn't bad man. You only know you should've called based on their hands.

In some odd way, them both having a set is almost best case scenario. Less likely the board will pair, no blockers to your straight/backdoor draws.

[sofa----king]

^^gotcha...fair point

The fold isn't bad man. You only know you should've called based on their hands.

In some odd way, them both having a set is almost best case scenario. Less likely the board will pair, no blockers to your straight/backdoor draws.

thats just what i thought,,,if i'd known they both had sets i think i might have called because the blocker situation.
but i was more convinced the one guy had aq hearts thinking i now only had 2 queens to hit (in my mind)
nevr mind i think with the ots they had around 15-17 outs to my 11 ish outs in my mind..

i think if i was deeper stacked at the time i would have called,but as said in previous posts it was all a bit of a trial run..lol..for the end of the month...
thanks for views....

[daviebhoy]

I'm not a huge fan of the play, but maybe getting 5-1, you could argue just to call and see the turn?

I don't know if this is better than folding, but perhaps it's better than shoving?

The problem with this play is that if player still to act has a made hand he is shoving and you need to call then to see the turn. The only time the player who is still to act lets you see the turn for free is when he also has a draw which is clearly a worse situation than when he shoves his set/2 pair.