Looking for MTT and 45man staking on Full Tilt

[tikay]

To be fair Fergus, AdamG and Kellster all had ropey backgrounds, which a staker could have quite easily researched and saved themself the headache of spots like this. As the saying goes "let the buyer beware".

/guilty

Graham, I have no sympathy for you at all. It's plainly obvious - you are to tall to stake people. IMO, that is.

[GreekStein]

I agree with you in principle Greekstein but this really is a minefield and having someone deciding who is worthy of staking and who isn't, is going to lead to bad blood, with accusations of nepotism etc.

With the internet being such an anonymous world, it really is difficult to know someone who is going to be honesty and someone who will grimm. I have seen people not on blonde, that seemed decent people from their posting history who grimmed people.

To be fair Fergus, AdamG and Kellster all had ropey backgrounds, which a staker could have quite easily researched and saved themself the headache of spots like this. As the saying goes "let the buyer beware".

Good points mate. However I don't think there would be that many disputes. Any member not understanding that they aren't a solid candidate for staking is going to be pretty silly. I'd never grim anyone over a single penny and I've had an instance in the past where I've been grimmed which taught me my lesson but I'd still be more than happy for the admins to decline a request of mine per se in the interests of blonde because I was relatively anonymous to the community.

It will make dodgy people think twice about attempting staking. Respectable members shouldn't have a problem.

In this instance I'm sure the administrators had stuff in their inboxes about Kellster that many potential stakers wouldn't have known. It's then not possible for him to say I've deggenned away the $30k I won two weeks ago I'm being sensible with my bankroll please stake me.

And yes Silo is most definitely too tall - and I've never even met him!

[turny]

when are we opening a "blonde grimming hall of fame"? jaydeea, fergus, adam g and now kellster real blonde hall of famer brendan must be turning in his grave at the antics of this lowlife scum infilterating the blonde community!

no one deserves to be grimmed and we must find a way to weed these people out as the staking board is a vital part of the site nowadays. We have some pople who regularly stake who will stop due to twats like this spoiling it for others.

i like some others may at times be a little contraversial with my posts and that definatly affects my staking threads when i do post one as most all on here see me as an arsehole  but i would never dream of grimming anyone on the staking thread but these people seem to come on here talk all nicey nicey then obtain staking so easy from generous gullible blondes.

[Graham C]

To be fair Fergus, AdamG and Kellster all had ropey backgrounds, which a staker could have quite easily researched and saved themself the headache of spots like this. As the saying goes "let the buyer beware".

/guilty

Graham, I have no sympathy for you at all. It's plainly obvious - you are to tall to stake people. IMO, that is.

heightism imo

I'm the perfect height for being grimmed, it's not all bad.

[tikay]

I have been asked to clarify what I meant by "Timeform Double Squiggle".

It may have changed these days, but when I was into Racing, a Timeform Double Squiggle signified the lowest of the low, not to be trusted, an arrant rogue, a horse so unreliable it should be avoided at all costs.

I apologise* if it was interpreted as an insult or slight on Kellster's character.

* E&OE.

[EvilPie]

The best advice is to read the proposals carefully before sending any money. To be honest all the info is there.

Exhibit A:-

Looking for Some MTT and 45-man sng staking on Full Tilt.

Will play anything $24+

50/50 on profit after stakeback.

here is my opr :
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/fulltiltpoker/thekellster89/poker/results/39F4CA1EA5EF42FD992C3177C8ED1F94.html?t=2

Basically a shit proposal. Red flags should be waving already.


Exhibit B:-

I am being strtict with bankroll management

And i don't want to spend money on tournaments ideally , as a sunday $1000-$2000 buyins is a big chunk of my weekly profit from cash.

$1000-$2000 is a mere chunk of his weekly profit!! Why the fuck does he need $500 to play a few $24 sngs if 1/2k is just a chunk??

Red flag should be in the bin. Black flag waving furiously.



I know that people like to get in quick before Flushy jumps in and grabs the lot but it's better to miss out than get grimmed. Why not just offer the money in principal then do a bit of research? Even a few PM's to other stakers might set off a warning to administer a bit of caution.

I think in this case people have seen Kellster's name on the staking thread and immediately remembered his recent 'big win'. Unfortunately the greed then kicks in and the money starts flowing in his direction.

Kellster: At the moment you say you and your backers are up. You can see how this thread is going so do yourself a favour and pay them back now if they want their money back. It's their loss if you go on to win more but at least you've given them the option of pulling out.

I know you like to play at DTD and believe me a lot of Blondes play there. If you aren't trying to grim people then sort it now before it gets ridiculously out of hand. If you turn this current win in to a loss of everything then you will be forever labelled as a thief and your name and face will be mud wherever you go.

It doesn't matter what your true intentions are people now think you are stealing their money. Give it back now and you may just save yourself a lot of hassle in the future.

[Eck]

To be fair Fergus, AdamG and Kellster all had ropey backgrounds, which a staker could have quite easily researched and saved themself the headache of spots like this. As the saying goes "let the buyer beware".

/guilty

Graham, I have no sympathy for you at all. It's plainly obvious - you are to tall to stake people. IMO, that is.

heightism imo

I'm the perfect height for being grimmed, it's not all bad.

To be fair Silo you deserved it for this imo 

[tikay]

I agree with you in principle Greekstein but this really is a minefield and having someone deciding who is worthy of staking and who isn't, is going to lead to bad blood, with accusations of nepotism etc.

With the internet being such an anonymous world, it really is difficult to know someone who is going to be honesty and someone who will grimm. I have seen people not on blonde, that seemed decent people from their posting history who grimmed people.

To be fair Fergus, AdamG and Kellster all had ropey backgrounds, which a staker could have quite easily researched and saved themself the headache of spots like this. As the saying goes "let the buyer beware".

Good points mate. However I don't think there would be that many disputes. Any member not understanding that they aren't a solid candidate for staking is going to be pretty silly. I'd never grim anyone over a single penny and I've had an instance in the past where I've been grimmed which taught me my lesson but I'd still be more than happy for the admins to decline a request of mine per se in the interests of blonde because I was relatively anonymous to the community.

It will make dodgy people think twice about attempting staking. Respectable members shouldn't have a problem.

In this instance I'm sure the administrators had stuff in their inboxes about Kellster that many potential stakers wouldn't have known. It's then not possible for him to say I've deggenned away the $30k I won two weeks ago I'm being sensible with my bankroll please stake me.

And yes Silo is most definitely too tall - and I've never even met him!

In this instance I'm sure the administrators had stuff in their inboxes about Kellster that many potential stakers wouldn't have known.

I'd like to clarify that.

I had no solid evidence at all about Kellster until last evening, & I was working from 7pm until Midnight, so it was tough to deal with it promptly.  After I finished working, I had some heavy, non-blonde e-Mails to sort, which took 2 hours.

During that time, as the story broke on here, the PM's arrived. There had been none previously.

Flushy's Post - "we have  duty to say if we know anything" - hit a chord with me this morning, so I went public.

Prior to that, I only had my gut instincts to go on. Those instincts told me he was a wrong 'un.  Read this Thread, read all his stupid Posts, read his PHA when he tried to be Billy Big Dick in The Vic Cash Game & spewed off £3k. From that, we all make our own judgements. Mine was that he was a complete cock, a real-life Walter Mitty. I can't go around Posting based on gut instincts. But if anyome PM'd me, about any Staking Proposal, I'd reply openly & honestly.

If I outed every nipper & scammer I knew, I'd be toast by now!

It's all very awkward, really.

[Tractor]

How about a 24 hour cooling off period from initial staking to the actual transfer?
So if someone make a pledge for a stake on monday.
Silo reserves his 10% before Flushy gets in, then has 24hours to research, wait for others to stake etc before making his final decision.
Normally if there is a problem that people know about it will come up within that 24 hours before any money is transfered.
No idea if it would work but wouldnt take much to inforce.

Edit, it is easy to implement a kama type system on these boards aswell, like ebay feedback.
And evertime someone stakes or backs, positive or negative karma should be given which is just like ebay feedback.
Who would buy something for £1000 of someone with no or negative feedback? But you might buy a £5 item and take a risk as everyone has to start somewhere.

[Graham C]

There's nothing to stop that happening at the moment, it's my own fault for shipping the money straight away.  I should have reserved, then researched (in the failure to research before hand obv)

[Graham C]

To be fair Silo you deserved it for this imo 

It's the 'I wanna be like Red Dog look

[EvilPie]

How about a 24 hour cooling off period from initial staking to the actual transfer?
So if someone make a pledge for a stake on monday.
Silo reserves his 10% before Flushy gets in, then has 24hours to research, wait for others to stake etc before making his final decision.
Normally if there is a problem that people know about it will come up within that 24 hours before any money is transfered.
No idea if it would work but wouldnt take much to inforce.

You get this anyway. No stakee asks for instant transfers.

When you ask for 10% it's just a pledge. Nothing is binding and you can pull out with no problem if you decide it's a bad idea.

Obviously if you do this too often you will find yourself being refused by stakees so it's not too open to abuse.

I would also say to never give your money to anyone who doesn't say in their proposal how and when they intend to pay you back your stake + winnings. This particular proposal just asks for money. To be fair he has never once suggested that he's going to pay anyone back. He just asked for some money to play some $24 sngs.

[Graham C]

His OP says 50/50 on profit after stakeback.

[EvilPie]

His OP says 50/50 on profit after stakeback.

But when mate?

[Tractor]

How about a 24 hour cooling off period from initial staking to the actual transfer?
So if someone make a pledge for a stake on monday.
Silo reserves his 10% before Flushy gets in, then has 24hours to research, wait for others to stake etc before making his final decision.
Normally if there is a problem that people know about it will come up within that 24 hours before any money is transfered.
No idea if it would work but wouldnt take much to inforce.

You get this anyway. No stakee asks for instant transfers.

When you ask for 10% it's just a pledge. Nothing is binding and you can pull out with no problem if you decide it's a bad idea.

Obviously if you do this too often you will find yourself being refused by stakees so it's not too open to abuse.

I would also say to never give your money to anyone who doesn't say in their proposal how and when they intend to pay you back your stake + winnings. This particular proposal just asks for money. To be fair he has never once suggested that he's going to pay anyone back. He just asked for some money to play some $24 sngs.

true, but a lot of these type of stakes seem to get going really quick, normally the same day.
I think a feedback/karma system would work well.