Double your money?

[TightEnd]

$50 Double or nothing SNG. Stars

7 remain, 5 paid obv

1500 starting

blinds 75-150

Hero 5/7 with 2100

Short stack UTG pushes for $950

6/7 in cut off pushes for $1150

Hero on button with 

other stacks 3500-2500.

The SNG is rock tight, completely locked up in several spots

Get involved here and try to knock both out or fold?

[TheChipPrince]

Fold, you have 16+ BB's, thats a lot in these, far better to push 72 unopened in late position with it being as tight as you describe.

A tough decision if only 1 pusher...

[tikay]

FOLD!

Don't be Calling in these DYM's, which are designed for Pushing & Shoving, not Calling.

[TightEnd]

FOLD!

Don't be Calling in these DYM's, which are designed for Pushing & Shoving, not Calling.

I did fold, which I regard as the conventional play here

Wondered if I could reshove and if lose the hand shove my remaining 1,000 into a tight field from then on. Possibly with some fold equity in that field

If I win the hand the top 5 is locked up...

[TheChipPrince]

shove my remaining 1,000 into a tight field from then on

Thats a fair point worth considering, but with the avergae stack being around 2.6/2.7, and you down to 1k your unlikely going to be able to survive without a double-up at some point...

[TightEnd]

true

sorry to be pedantic, but also one of 6/7 and 7/7 doubles through here leaving me 6/6 or 6/7 and needing to do something

hence my question in OP as to whether to take a shot here

[tikay]

true

sorry to be pedantic, but also one of 6/7 and 7/7 doubles through here leaving me 6/6 or 6/7 and needing to do something

hence my question in OP as to whether to take a shot here

No, it's not the time to make a stand Rich, imo.

Even if you are 6/7, or 7/7, & only have 4 or 5 x BB, I believe it's better to wait & shove with anything, rather than accept a 3 way flip with AQ.

With the increase in popularity in these DYM things, for which there is, presumably, a pretty-much optimised playing style, (I play 6 handed, which I imagine play very different to 10 handed), I quite look forward to folks writing "Optimal DYM Strategy" type articles.

There is no doubt that their popularity is well-founded. The reduced variance can be a wonderful confidence restorer to those struggling with high-variance MTT's. Which is, like, everybody.....

Of course, there's no easy pot of gold at the end, it's pretty much a case of you get what you deserve. Just like life really.

[TheChipPrince]

ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table.  That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones...

[TightEnd]

I quite look forward to folks writing "Optimal DYM Strategy" type articles.

So am I. I am playing a lot of them while bankroll stretched, and doing nicely (albeit slowly)

I find the turbos see people make the most mistakes, and have my highest win rate, which is counter intuitive for me

So I'm trying to develop strategies and get into the depths of which games to play, when etc

[thetank]

insta-fold

[Longy]

insta-fold

This, i really don't think this is very close. My range for calling here is qq+.

ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table.  That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones...

ICM actually falls down a lot in double your moneys, there is balance between chip utility and icm to be struck.

[tikay]

ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table.  That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones...

Not true, surprisingly. I play them.

[tikay]

insta-fold

This, i really don't think this is very close. My range for calling here is qq+.

ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table.  That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones...

ICM actually falls down a lot in double your moneys, there is balance between chip utility and icm to be struck.

And you are precisely the sort of person who should write such an article.

Get to work!

And I agree - QQ MINIMUM here to call. ATC to shove.

The whole things are about the Bubble, nothing else matters really.

Sleep to the bubble, Premiums excepted, forget the fancy-dan footwork, & only start to pay attention Bubble-Time, with the default "shove with owt, only Call with Monsters" - & then, ONLY against the right(stacked) oppo.

I find them curiously satisfying.

[Longy]

insta-fold

This, i really don't think this is very close. My range for calling here is qq+.

ICM will always tell us exactly what to do in spots like this, but it will never tell us the dynamics of said particular table.  That said, not going to be many mugs playing $50 ones...

ICM actually falls down a lot in double your moneys, there is balance between chip utility and icm to be struck.

And you are precisely the sort of person who should write such an article.

Get to work!

And I agree - QQ MINIMUM here to call. ATC to shove.

The whole things are about the Bubble, nothing else matters really.

Sleep to the bubble, Premiums excepted, forget the fancy-dan footwork, & only start to pay attention Bubble-Time, with the default "shove with owt, only Call with Monsters" - & then, ONLY against the right(stacked) oppo.

I find them curiously satisfying.

I actually would rather do anything i could to stop encouraging people to playing them. They are killing standard sng traffic online and in a weird way teaching fish to play tight early, both pretty bad things from point of view.

You have pretty much summed up standard strategy above, while adding a few wrinkles in, like playing the game of who blinds out first on the bubble. Anyone really wanting to learn them should simply work out what 2+2 makes (thats a cryptic hint).

[Jon MW]

If one of the players not involved in this hand had less than $1000 I'd call. Is this still wrong?

What if they had $1000 to $1500 also?