This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[Longy]

public sector workers do not pay income tax

DUCY?

is this correct?

Lol, who are public sector workers paid by, who collects income tax.

QED.

[Jon MW]

public sector workers do not pay income tax

DUCY?

is this correct?

Lol, who are public sector workers paid by, who collects income tax.

QED.

They still pay it.

Apart from anything else there's quite a small section of public sector workers who collect income tax - and even they still pay it.

EDIT: is that not like saying if you get 100% rakeback you don't pay rake

[turny]

public sector workers do not pay income tax

DUCY?

is this correct?

Lol, who are public sector workers paid by, who collects income tax.

QED.

They still pay it.

Apart from anything else there's quite a small section of public sector workers who collect income tax - and even they still pay it.

EDIT: is that not like saying if you get 100% rakeback you don't pay rake

thank you jon i thought i was going mad, my partner works in the public sector but still pays tax, thought she was missing out here somehow lol

[Wardonkey]

I've never attended a public protest in my entire life, but I'd seriously consider doing so (if I thought public protests achieved anything, but they do not) Protesting against G-Bay.

1963  Civil Rights March on Washington

Civil disobedience movements in the US, India and South Africa

'Solidarity' protests and strikes in Poland 1980

The 'Peaceful Revolution' in East Germany in 1989

I could go on...


None of these protests achieved anything?

[cia260895]

How would it be viewed on armistice day in whitehall if there was a protest by neo-nazi's/radical Muslims and any other radical political group, would the protest be allowed? no i don't think so.

or if there was a remembrance day for the Holocaust victims and the same groups wanted to protest that it didn't happen would that be allowed to go on again i don't think so.

But with freedom of speech they should be allowed inflammatory or not

FWIW I said in my OP that these type of protests shouldn't be allowed as they are just inflammatory and a bit of common sense prevailing wouldn't be a bad thing IMO but we are in a country where free speech IS allowed and i accept that and have never tried to stop it... but it is rightly or wrongly my opinion

like i said previously right time right place,

I remember recently  a thread was removed regarding Jade goody and also 1 that I started (did i do wrong?) but surely these were being used as a tool of freedom of speech as well??? although being a current emotive subject that the mods decided was not in the best interest of the "forum " they were removed....

[tikay]

I've never attended a public protest in my entire life, but I'd seriously consider doing so (if I thought public protests achieved anything, but they do not) Protesting against G-Bay.

1963  Civil Rights March on Washington

Civil disobedience movements in the US, India and South Africa

'Solidarity' protests and strikes in Poland 1980

The 'Peaceful Revolution' in East Germany in 1989

I could go on...


None of these protests achieved anything?

Conceded entirely, though the examples you quite are rarities.

But to protest about a retrospective matter - people were tortured, won't change that, though, it's prob fair to say, may stop it happening again.

But yes, point conceded.

Off to get me some Protest Banners now. Just gotta find the right thing to protest about first.

[tikay]

How would it be viewed on armistice day in whitehall if there was a protest by neo-nazi's/radical Muslims and any other radical political group, would the protest be allowed? no i don't think so.

or if there was a remembrance day for the Holocaust victims and the same groups wanted to protest that it didn't happen would that be allowed to go on again i don't think so.

But with freedom of speech they should be allowed inflammatory or not

FWIW I said in my OP that these type of protests shouldn't be allowed as they are just inflammatory and a bit of common sense prevailing wouldn't be a bad thing IMO but we are in a country where free speech IS allowed and i accept that and have never tried to stop it... but it is rightly or wrongly my opinion

like i said previously right time right place,

I remember recently  a thread was removed regarding Jade goody and also 1 that I started (did i do wrong?) but surely these were being used as a tool of freedom of speech as well??? although being a current emotive subject that the mods decided was not in the best interest of the "forum " they were removed....

Err.....they were NOT removed - either of them - because they were "emotive"!

[byronkincaid]

public sector workers do not pay income tax

DUCY?

is this correct?

Lol, who are public sector workers paid by, who collects income tax.

QED.

They still pay it.

Apart from anything else there's quite a small section of public sector workers who collect income tax - and even they still pay it.

EDIT: is that not like saying if you get 100% rakeback you don't pay rake

can you explain the difference to me between a soldier getting a payslip from the government saying

we have paid you 2K and taken back 500

and

we have paid you 1500

it's just smoke and mirrors isn't it?

[kinboshi]

You have the right to freedom of speech, but you cannot demand that someone provides a platform for you to express it.

How many people protested?  How long were they there for?  If the media hadn't given them coverage would any of us have been aware of their protest, and would we be debating it now?  Why did the media focus so much on this?  Why aren't there more stories of bravery of our soldiers, how about the achievements and the positive things that have come about through the presence of the troops in Afghanistan or Iraq?  Why don't we hear these things in the news?

[AndrewT]

You have the right to freedom of speech, but you cannot demand that someone provides a platform for you to express it.

How many people protested?  How long were they there for?  If the media hadn't given them coverage would any of us have been aware of their protest, and would we be debating it now?  Why did the media focus so much on this?  Why aren't there more stories of bravery of our soldiers, how about the achievements and the positive things that have come about through the presence of the troops in Afghanistan or Iraq?  Why don't we hear these things in the news?

Like the fact Ross Kemp doesn't try to act any more.

[Jon MW]

...

can you explain the difference to me between a soldier getting a payslip from the government saying

we have paid you 2K and taken back 500

and

we have paid you 1500
...

Army pays

Inland Revenue takes.

Different budgets.

[Wardonkey]

I've never attended a public protest in my entire life, but I'd seriously consider doing so (if I thought public protests achieved anything, but they do not) Protesting against G-Bay.

1963  Civil Rights March on Washington

Civil disobedience movements in the US, India and South Africa

'Solidarity' protests and strikes in Poland 1980

The 'Peaceful Revolution' in East Germany in 1989

I could go on...


None of these protests achieved anything?

Conceded entirely, though the examples you quite are rarities.

But to protest about a retrospective matter - people were tortured, won't change that, though, it's prob fair to say, may stop it happening again.

But yes, point conceded.

Off to get me some Protest Banners now. Just gotta find the right thing to protest about first.

They're not that rare, I chose the most successful and highest profile protests to make a point, but there have been many more.

In this country the Poll tax was defeated by public protest in 1990, and even protests that do not achieve their aim so successfully raise public consciousness and make repetitions of injustice more unlikely.

[cia260895]

How would it be viewed on armistice day in whitehall if there was a protest by neo-nazi's/radical Muslims and any other radical political group, would the protest be allowed? no i don't think so.

or if there was a remembrance day for the Holocaust victims and the same groups wanted to protest that it didn't happen would that be allowed to go on again i don't think so.

But with freedom of speech they should be allowed inflammatory or not

FWIW I said in my OP that these type of protests shouldn't be allowed as they are just inflammatory and a bit of common sense prevailing wouldn't be a bad thing IMO but we are in a country where free speech IS allowed and i accept that and have never tried to stop it... but it is rightly or wrongly my opinion

like i said previously right time right place,

I remember recently  a thread was removed regarding Jade goody and also 1 that I started (did i do wrong?) but surely these were being used as a tool of freedom of speech as well??? although being a current emotive subject that the mods decided was not in the best interest of the "forum " they were removed....

Err.....they were NOT removed - either of them - because they were "emotive"!

i said the subject was emotive..

[tikay]

How would it be viewed on armistice day in whitehall if there was a protest by neo-nazi's/radical Muslims and any other radical political group, would the protest be allowed? no i don't think so.

or if there was a remembrance day for the Holocaust victims and the same groups wanted to protest that it didn't happen would that be allowed to go on again i don't think so.

But with freedom of speech they should be allowed inflammatory or not

FWIW I said in my OP that these type of protests shouldn't be allowed as they are just inflammatory and a bit of common sense prevailing wouldn't be a bad thing IMO but we are in a country where free speech IS allowed and i accept that and have never tried to stop it... but it is rightly or wrongly my opinion

like i said previously right time right place,

I remember recently  a thread was removed regarding Jade goody and also 1 that I started (did i do wrong?) but surely these were being used as a tool of freedom of speech as well??? although being a current emotive subject that the mods decided was not in the best interest of the "forum " they were removed....

Err.....they were NOT removed - either of them - because they were "emotive"!

i said the subject was emotive..

Yes, I know. And I said that was NOT the reason they were removed.

[thetank]

I think kinboshi is spot on.

There seems an agenda in the news media in this country to stir up racial tensions wherever possible.




I find it sad though that the freedom of speech doesn't always work both ways.

This implies that there are only two ways to see things, our way and their way.
It's us and them is it?
Bit reductive is it not?