This shouldnt be allowed FACT!!

[Newmanseye]

It turned out well for Jack in that one...

Your not wrong.

He did make a very valid point though.  Some of us may not like what is done or how things are accomplished BUT if you enjoy the freedom these young men and women provide & you did sod all to help or change the way It was done, don't complain after the fact.

Pick up a gun and guard your post or stop fucking giving the forces grief.

[Wardonkey]

He was trying to justify the manslaughter of one of own men...

[henrik777]

It turned out well for Jack in that one...

Sure did. Plenty of cash and no doubt a higher fee for the next film.

Sandy

[Robert HM]

He was trying to justify the manslaughter of one of own men...

bugger was just about to post that Jacks monologue wasn't the best example to use. The officers he was criticising were, in effect, protecting the other ranks facing the same fate as Santiago.

[Newmanseye]

i know, but it does not make the point any less valid in this instance,

You want freedom / national protection against terrorists [ ]

You want to change the way your freedom / country is defended [ ]

You want to complain about the way your freedom / country is protected and have done sod all to help and contribute other than enjoy that which is protected  [ x ]

computing .......................................................................



Pick up a gun and help or keep your trap shut




Its that simple as i see it, and that the way i see Jacks argument in the movie, I you want change that's fine, but do more than complain, go experience , understand and change from within.

[Wardonkey]

You can't protect peoples rights and freedoms by denying them rights and freedoms.

[AndrewT]

If you think the armed forces out in Iraq were sent to protect our freedom then you're very much mistaken.

Afghanistan has more of a valid argument for protecting Britons from harm, but still, it's hardly D-Day.

[thetank]

He did make a very valid point though.  Some of us may not like what is done or how things are accomplished BUT if you enjoy the freedom these young men and women provide & you did sod all to help or change the way It was done, don't complain after the fact.

Pick up a gun and guard your post or stop fucking giving the forces grief.

By that token, anything the milatary do is ok. If they burn down, rape and pillage 100 villages/day, we can still say nothing.

Only options are to shut up, or pick up a gun and join in the gang bang?

[kinboshi]

i know, but it does not make the point any less valid in this instance,

You want freedom / national protection against terrorists [ ]

You want to change the way your freedom / country is defended [ ]

You want to complain about the way your freedom / country is protected and have done sod all to help and contribute other than enjoy that which is protected  [ x ]

computing .......................................................................



Pick up a gun and help or keep your trap shut




Its that simple as i see it, and that the way i see Jacks argument in the movie, I you want change that's fine, but do more than complain, go experience , understand and change from within.

So if you're a doctor saving lives - you still have no right to say anything - and to gain this right you have to go and kill people?

[Newmanseye]

You can't protect peoples rights and freedoms by denying them rights and freedoms.

I never said deny anyone anything, I said if you want to complain then do it in the right way with the right experience and working knowledge of what is REALLY going on.

I for one am against the current conflicts in the middle east, would i campaign or tell people not to fight the conflict in a certain way?  would I protest against someone doing their job and a service for their country?  No because i don't know whats happened over there, i never lived it, I am tainted by the news media and i don't have a complete understanding of all the facts. i.e. who's being tortured for whatever to save xx many lives.

Let look at this from a different angle,

Parking wardens issue tickets like sweets at a funfare, I have yet to see anyone picketing town and city halls to put a stop to them and they are detested nationally!


These men and women put their lives at risk fighting a war in a far off land for a pittance and they come home to abuse?  Sorry, i think the people protesting should look at who they should direct their attentions to. Also I wonder how many of the people protesting has a credible understanding of what exactly was going on over there that gives them the justification to protest against someone doing their job.


Imagine going to work as a poker pro and as you power up the computer when suddenly 100 anti Gambling activists started hurling abuse and protesting outside your house.

You would tell them to STFU and get a life.

[mondatoo]

You can't protect peoples rights and freedoms by denying them rights and freedoms.

I never said deny anyone anything, I said if you want to complain then do it in the right way with the right experience and working knowledge of what is REALLY going on.

I for one am against the current conflicts in the middle east, would i campaign or tell people not to fight the conflict in a certain way?  would I protest against someone doing their job and a service for their country?  No because i don't know whats happened over there, i never lived it, I am tainted by the news media and i don't have a complete understanding of all the facts. i.e. who's being tortured for whatever to save xx many lives.

Let look at this from a different angle,

Parking wardens issue tickets like sweets at a funfare, I have yet to see anyone picketing town and city halls to put a stop to them and they are detested nationally!


These men and women put their lives at risk fighting a war in a far off land for a pittance and they come home to abuse?  Sorry, i think the people protesting should look at who they should direct their attentions to. Also I wonder how many of the people protesting has a credible understanding of what exactly was going on over there that gives them the justification to protest against someone doing their job.


Imagine going to work as a poker pro and as you power up the computer when suddenly 100 anti Gambling activists started hurling abuse and protesting outside your house.

You would tell them to STFU and get a life.

No i'd shit myself and move house

[kinboshi]

You can't protect peoples rights and freedoms by denying them rights and freedoms.

I never said deny anyone anything, I said if you want to complain then do it in the right way with the right experience and working knowledge of what is REALLY going on.

I for one am against the current conflicts in the middle east, would i campaign or tell people not to fight the conflict in a certain way?  would I protest against someone doing their job and a service for their country?  No because i don't know whats happened over there, i never lived it, I am tainted by the news media and i don't have a complete understanding of all the facts. i.e. who's being tortured for whatever to save xx many lives.

Let look at this from a different angle,

Parking wardens issue tickets like sweets at a funfare, I have yet to see anyone picketing town and city halls to put a stop to them and they are detested nationally!


These men and women put their lives at risk fighting a war in a far off land for a pittance and they come home to abuse?  Sorry, i think the people protesting should look at who they should direct their attentions to. Also I wonder how many of the people protesting has a credible understanding of what exactly was going on over there that gives them the justification to protest against someone doing their job.


Imagine going to work as a poker pro and as you power up the computer when suddenly 100 anti Gambling activists started hurling abuse and protesting outside your house.

You would tell them to STFU and get a life.

No i'd shit myself and move house

[AndrewT]

I can't remember seeing a victory parade by traffic wardens celebrating their return home from dishing out tickets to errant drivers. If there were, there might be protests.

[Wardonkey]

I once went on a victory parade to the offy after winning a $20 rebuy.

There were no protests.

[Laxie]

Blimey.  Glad I went shopping today.  And I hate shopping!