What do we do now - & why?

[tikay]

I saw this hand on Sunday, at DTD, & I thought it rather interesting.

It was in the £150 Freezeout, 5k starting points, & we are in Level 2 (50-100).

The Table is typical DTD, everyone splashing around in pots, often 6 or 7 handed.

The Table influences are....

Random Scandie, fairly quiet.

Commodity Trader, old, with brown shoes.

Marcus Bebb-Jones. (3,800 chips). He's lively, tricky, & busy.

A Substantial East Anglian Pig Farmer. Last Passed a hand in 1997.

Me. (5,000 chips). Asleep.

On my BB, there are six limpers (standard), & I am dealt  ,

We see this flop.

 

The SB checks, I check. I'm hoping someone takes a little stab at this, then I'll C/R big, to protect my hand against the bare big diamond.

UTG, Marcus Bebb-Jones, now bets 400 into 700. He attracts 1 caller, (Pig Farmer) then it gets back to me.

So......

What range do we ascribe to Marcus?

And what should I do?

[Laxie]

Mr. Laxie reckons he has either  , or at the very least and yer in trouble.  I reckon he has a decent diamond and an open end str8 draw.  GL with that.   

[turny]

jam

[Karabiner]

Clear fold 

[tikay]

Mr. Laxie reckons he has either  , or at the very least and yer in trouble.  I reckon he has a decent diamond and an open end str8 draw.  GL with that.   

So I should..........?

[tikay]

jam

Why? (aka, "jam because?")

[turny]

jam

Why? (aka, "jam because?")

cos your ahead most of the time

[George2Loose]

Jam for value against Marcus- he's a station

[Laxie]

Mr. Laxie reckons he has either  , or at the very least and yer in trouble.  I reckon he has a decent diamond and an open end str8 draw.  GL with that.   

So I should..........?

Re-pop to 900 and 'ask the question'.

[mondatoo]

Mr. Laxie reckons he has either  , or at the very least and yer in trouble.  I reckon he has a decent diamond and an open end str8 draw.  GL with that.   

So I should..........?

Re-pop to 900 and 'ask the question'.

You winding the old chap up ? You should respect your elders,shocking

[Laxie]

Wind up?!  Not a hope!  I've learned from the legend that is Gramps...just applying what he's taught us.

[MANTIS01]

The SB checks, I check. I'm hoping someone takes a little stab at this, then I'll C/R big, to protect my hand against the bare big diamond.

The problem with this thinking for me is the chance to win a significant pot is pretty limited. You flop a flush like 2% of the time so it's a very rare occurence. When it does happen if you check hoping to entice a little stab and then C/R big, all you're gonna win is someone's little stab (unless you're beat). That doesn't seem a big enough reward for a rare hand like this. A protecting your strong hand mentality should be replaced with a making the most chips with your strong hand mentality imo. I think betting out into 6 other players is a better strategy...hopefully to entice that bare big diamond to raise, or somebody else to make a move. Then you can come back over the top. This is a better way to generate a bigger pot imo, especially at a table where chips are being splashed around. It is also a better strat for the stack sizes in play, cos when it gets back to you in this hand there's 30% of your stack in the pot, so jamming isn't unreasonable vs a pot-committing raise. If you bet out there could well be a much bigger % of your stack in there by the time it gets back to you. And if you're gonna put your stack in there the bigger the value you can muster the better imo.

[byronkincaid]

i don't understand what "to protect my hand against the bare big diamond" means. you want him to fold?

quite like mantis' line. as played raise for value from bare ace, sets, any old crap pig farmer might have

[Longy]

Yup I like Mantis's line as well to lead out, it disguises your hand better and with stack sizes as allows to get it in if we get raised. So getting better value for our holding, check/raising here just screams strength and gains less chips generally.

[tikay]

Thank you for the great replies, particularly for those by MANTIS, byron, & Longy - I agree wth them, with hindsight, & like the explanations as to "why". My only (minor) quibble would be this.......

i don't understand what "to protect my hand against the bare big diamond" means. you want him to fold?

True, & no. But I get in a mess here if I check, & they all check behind, & THEN the 4th Diamond turns or rivers!

But this is the essssence of the hand, I think, as Posted by MANTIS, & agreed with by byron & Longy & several others......

I think betting out into 6 other players is a better strategy..

With which, in hindsight, I wholly concur.

Now, 1 more question.......