What do we do now - & why?

[TightEnd]

forget the hand, was it the "female" or male pig farmer?

[tikay]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

[tikay]

forget the hand, was it the "female" or male pig farmer?

Female.

May I enquire as to why you used inverted commas for "female"?........

[TightEnd]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

Automatic call for the 1,900 odd more

His range is a bare big diamonds, and sets as well as made flushes. If he has one so be it

[RED-DOG]

forget the hand, was it the "female" or male pig farmer?

Female.

May I enquire as to why you used inverted commas for "female"?........

In this case, inverting the commas would be infinitely preferable to inverting the female.

[mondatoo]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

Snap, oh and fist pump shove whilst your at it

[kinboshi]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

He shoves and it's hand in the air time, surely that's the result you want?

[MANTIS01]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

Other reasons to bet out include...a) avoiding the checked round scenario you fear...and b) because you maximise your oppo's potential to make a mistake. Let's say you check the flop and then jam to a bet...which was the original strat...you are now asking your oppo to make a 5k mistake by CALLING all his chips into the pot with a worse hand. There will be very few hands that will make that 5k mistake if they can't beat you imo. However, when you bet out...and I would suggest 400 in order to entice a raise...you are then giving any one of 6 oppos the opportunity to RAISE 2k with worse. So you can see a much greater range of hands will raise 2k than call 5k...and as such you're giving max rope for oppos to make a cheaper and more easily made mistake with worse. And you must look for ways to give max rope to these hands to make it a longterm winning hand for you...cos you will get beat sometimes. As played the chips go in quick.

[tikay]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

Other reasons to bet out include...a) avoiding the checked round scenario you fear...and b) because you maximise your oppo's potential to make a mistake. Let's say you check the flop and then jam to a bet...which was the original strat...you are now asking your oppo to make a 5k mistake by CALLING all his chips into the pot with a worse hand. There will be very few hands that will make that 5k mistake if they can't beat you imo. However, when you bet out...and I would suggest 400 in order to entice a raise...you are then giving any one of 6 oppos the opportunity to RAISE 2k with worse. So you can see a much greater range of hands will raise 2k than call 5k...and as such you're giving max rope for oppos to make a cheaper and more easily made mistake with worse. And you must look for ways to give max rope to these hands to make it a longterm winning hand for you...cos you will get beat sometimes. As played the chips go in quick.

Which neatly explains a huge weakness in my game - getting value for my "big" hands.

But the hand has not finished yet.........

[turny]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

so you were looking to pot bet pass were you?

cant believe your asking this question, its 1900 more is there a question to ask?

[tikay]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.

so you were looking to pot bet pass were you?

cant believe your asking this question, its 1900 more is there a question to ask?

Never - where did I suggest that? I was never Passing.

Wait until the whole "reveal". The hand was, I thought, played very "interestingly", & I thought it worth sharing the "what's & why's" by both players. It's perfect PHA fodder, in my view, from which I, for one, have learned something. If he shoves, what do we think he has?

[turny]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.



you wasnt asking what he had you were asking what we do? not a valid question imo thats all
if you asking what he might have then he probably gambling with the ace of diamonds

[EvilPie]

I usually bet out around half the pot here but I don't mind the check either.

If it's checked round as long as we see a none diamond (which statistically we should) our lead out then looks far more like a steal attempt and much more likely to induce a raise.

[tikay]

So, we should have bet out - pot-sized? - for the reasons detailed above.

Right, we bet out, let's say about the pot - 1,500 ish.

What do we do if Marcus now shoves? He has, I think,  3,400 behind at this juncture.



you wasnt asking what he had you were asking what we do? not a valid question imo thats allif you asking what he might have then he probably gambling with the ace of diamonds

In the context of PHA, & learning something (me certaihly, & maybe others) the question is wholly relevant. "What do we do?" & "what has he got?" are kinda linked.

I loved the way the hand played, but please note I have not finished explaining it yet. I just think I/we learn more if we take it step by step.

[tikay]

I usually bet out around half the pot here but I don't mind the check either.

If it's checked round as long as we see a none diamond (which statistically we should) our lead out then looks far more like a steal attempt and much more likely to induce a raise.

Matt, what are you putting Marcus on here?