Another DoN sit and go (52$)

[George2Loose]

OK guy to my right is quite active so should I shove this here? I would much rather open shove obv but I think he's gonna keep opening (for some reason?)

PokerStars Game #25841123048: Tournament #147070707, $50+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/03/11 9:10:28 ET
Table '147070707 1' 10-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kleptomania (1520 in chips)
Seat 5: GoldnEagl (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: JTM210577 (4550 in chips)
Seat 7: George2Loose (1450 in chips)
Seat 8: patukcouk (3065 in chips)
Seat 10: DeDachs (2915 in chips)
kleptomania: posts the ante 20
GoldnEagl: posts the ante 20
JTM210577: posts the ante 20
George2Loose: posts the ante 20
patukcouk: posts the ante 20
DeDachs: posts the ante 20
George2Loose: posts small blind 100
patukcouk: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
DeDachs: folds
kleptomania: folds
GoldnEagl: folds
JTM210577: raises 400 to 600
George2Loose: ?

[EvilPie]

Pretty easy pass for me. He's definitely not passing if you shove and unless he's got a raggy ace you're not going to like it.

Pass now, wait for an unopened pot and shove atc. Preferably wait 'til the other 2 shorties are in the blinds as they're going to be very tight at this stage.

[MANTIS01]

6-handed vs aggro oppo taking advantage of the situation? A-10 is massive here isn't it.

[thetank]

He's definitely not passing if you shove

I disagree. A typical opponent passes here about 10-20% of the time.

You may never pass there, I may never pass there, but neither of our names are JTM210577
To be honest, I never raise in JTM's spot with a 3x stack in a DoN, there is literally nothing to gain. Maybe KK+ so I don't feel dirty, but there's still little point.

The point being, JTM is probably not that solid a player. We cannot rule out him passing completely.


That being said, this is still a fold. JTM is not going to fold enough, and ATs in never much more than 60% against his range.
Two fellow low stacks (low stacks, not short stacks, nobody is short stacked yet) about to get the blinds. It is not yet time to get involved.

[dousche]

AT is huge against his range. but we're on the bubble with 2 other short stacks so its a pass in my book.

He's definitely not passing if you shove

I disagree. A typical opponent passes here about 10-20% of the time.

You may never pass there, I may never pass there, but neither of our names are JTM210577
To be honest, I never raise in JTM's spot with a 3x stack in a DoN, there is literally nothing to gain. Maybe KK+ so I don't feel dirty, but there's still little point.

The point being, JTM is probably not that solid a player. We cannot rule out him passing completely.


That being said, this is still a fold. JTM is not going to fold enough, and ATs in never much more than 60% against his range.
Two fellow low stacks (low stacks, not short stacks, nobody is short stacked yet) about to get the blinds. It is not yet time to get involved.

in a $100 sng the bigstack doesnt realise that he's getting nearly 3-1 and that he should pass? really?

[thetank]

in a $100 sng the bigstack doesnt realise that he's getting nearly 3-1 and that he should pass? really?

It's a $50 comp, and even so, the buy-in does not qualify his ability.

He doesn't realise that he probably shouldn't be raising in the first place, so this gives some hints as to his quality.
I'd bet even money that he's a losing player.

He may only fold 10% of the time, but we should still factor that in.

As I say though, doesn't change anything, still a fold.

[dousche]

i know the buyin doesnt qualify his ability but most $5 sng regulars would criticise this pass, there cant be many players THAT bad in a $50 comp (ps thanks for the correction)

[thetank]

lol, fail by me

JTM is up $31k at STTs +

Ranked 5 in Holdem 9-10 Seated Turbo $36-$100 Total Profit 2009 Leaderboard


Ah well, so this particular player is never going to pass, but randoms sometimes do.

[George2Loose]

I know I have no fold equity in this spot.

Does the fact that he keeps opening before me have any bearing? Saying shove atc is easy if it's unopened and I don't really want to shove from UTG

[Longy]

Seriously this is a turbo muck and if you think this is close you are playing far too loose on the bubble of DON's.

Given we have little fold equity and given the stack sizes i am pretty sure ak is a pass here. Try qq+ here.

[George2Loose]

Seriously this is a turbo muck and if you think this is close you are playing far too loose on the bubble of DON's.

Given we have little fold equity and given the stack sizes i am pretty sure ak is a pass here. Try qq+ here.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a reasonable grasp of sit and go's and FWIW play very tight in these. Just some bubble situations I'm trying to get a grasp of

Any idea why he's opening so much when he's basically locked up the money?

[dousche]

Seriously this is a turbo muck and if you think this is close you are playing far too loose on the bubble of DON's.

Given we have little fold equity and given the stack sizes i am pretty sure ak is a pass here. Try qq+ here.

+1, against an uber-wide range i dont like the 60% shot with ak. we've got more than 60% chance of making it through by passing

[thetank]

I know I have no fold equity in this spot.

Does the fact that he keeps opening before me have any bearing? Saying shove atc is easy if it's unopened and I don't really want to shove from UTG

If he's opening before you literally every hand, then that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It certainly doesn't legitimize our taking 65% on a double-up or bust.

We just don't have many options, and have to sit tight and hope that his pointless aggression catalyses something with one of the other players.

[George2Loose]

Thx for the feedback. I tank/shoved lol

He actually tanked and then called with 10, 8 (I run very good)

I won the 50$ (balla)

[Longy]

Seriously this is a turbo muck and if you think this is close you are playing far too loose on the bubble of DON's.

Given we have little fold equity and given the stack sizes i am pretty sure ak is a pass here. Try qq+ here.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a reasonable grasp of sit and go's and FWIW play very tight in these. Just some bubble situations I'm trying to get a grasp of

Any idea why he's opening so much when he's basically locked up the money?

Not really i use to go on auto fold in these spots, unless i had a real monster so opening would just speed up the process. Though tbh he is not losing that much equity either way given the blinds are folding so many hands here.

The dynamics on the bbl of DON's are virtually different to any other form of poker i have played and you virtually should not be putting your chips in the middle on the bubble without a complete monster if you aren't opening the pot.