Another DoN sit and go (52$)

[dousche]

Seriously this is a turbo muck and if you think this is close you are playing far too loose on the bubble of DON's.

Given we have little fold equity and given the stack sizes i am pretty sure ak is a pass here. Try qq+ here.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a reasonable grasp of sit and go's and FWIW play very tight in these. Just some bubble situations I'm trying to get a grasp of

Any idea why he's opening so much when he's basically locked up the money?

because he can? power trip? he's losing hardly any equity by doubling up one of you shorties (can most likely still pass into the money) and gaining the lot when he knocks you out. him raising every pot stops you guys from picking up the odd pot here and there from the medium stacks and bringing it back towards parity. im pretty indifferent between raising lots and passing into the money - but then again im no sng expert, especially satellite types. might be interesting to see what tom has to say on this, he played a lot of the step-type tournies and has a great grasp of bubble play

[thetank]

Any idea why he's opening so much when he's basically locked up the money?

Stems back to his childhood perhaps?

(no offence intended if you're googling yourself JTM)

Maybe he's just having fun?

[TheChipPrince]

I know I have no fold equity in this spot.

Does the fact that he keeps opening before me have any bearing? Saying shove atc is easy if it's unopened and I don't really want to shove from UTG

If he's opening before you literally every hand, then that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It certainly doesn't legitimize our taking 65% on a double-up or bust.

We just don't have many options, and have to sit tight and hope that his pointless aggression catalyses something with one of the other players.

I disagree thats its pointless aggression partly, 95% of the time everyone passes, 19 times out of 20 he adds 300 to his stack, which gives him 20% towards a free shot (5 raises = 1500 stack of the 3 shorties), when he gets caught like this time to take a shot at taking someone out...

Ok, its not 'the best' tactic, but I dont think its awful play from him, the push is far worse.

That make sense?

[thetank]

In terms of the equity it gains him for that individual tournament, the aggression is pointless. It doesn't lose him much (if anything) so it's not a "bad" play either. Pointless is the operative word

Maybe it's a time thing. He wants the bubble over as soon as possible to up his hourly rate? Though I still don't see the point tbh.

[George2Loose]

Seriously this is a turbo muck and if you think this is close you are playing far too loose on the bubble of DON's.

Given we have little fold equity and given the stack sizes i am pretty sure ak is a pass here. Try qq+ here.

Thanks for the feedback. I have a reasonable grasp of sit and go's and FWIW play very tight in these. Just some bubble situations I'm trying to get a grasp of

Any idea why he's opening so much when he's basically locked up the money?

because he can? power trip? he's losing hardly any equity by doubling up one of you shorties (can most likely still pass into the money) and gaining the lot when he knocks you out. him raising every pot stops you guys from picking up the odd pot here and there from the medium stacks and bringing it back towards parity. im pretty indifferent between raising lots and passing into the money - but then again im no sng expert, especially satellite types. might be interesting to see what tom has to say on this, he played a lot of the step-type tournies and has a great grasp of bubble play

Bubble of a normal sit and go/ MTT I understand why's he's opening so much but half the field get the same money unlike a normal payout structure. I've only ever seen complete nutters constantly opening at this stage- most winning players with his stack have the fold button on perm click

[TheChipPrince]

The most likely answer is, and anyone who has a monster stack in one of these has been guilty of it at one time or another is just boredom, mentally you've chalked this up as a win, you just want to show off and have it over ASAP.

[dousche]

I disagree thats its pointless aggression partly, 95% of the time everyone passes, 19 times out of 20 he adds 300 to his stack, which gives him 20% towards a free shot (5 raises = 1500 stack of the 3 shorties), when he gets caught like this time to take a shot at taking someone out...

i can see where you're coming from but i think stopping the shorties from picking up the blinds is more important than this.

Bubble of a normal sit and go/ MTT I understand why's he's opening so much but half the field get the same money unlike a normal payout structure. I've only ever seen complete nutters constantly opening at this stage- most winning players with his stack have the fold button on perm click

obv he's maxing the % of time he gets itm. i think raising might do that as the medium stacks cant put any pressure on given their stacks and no-one is calling allin. therefore all that should happen is that the other players stay around the same stack while JTM blinds away or one of the shorties runs into another's monster. him raising every hand stops you guys from picking up chips, and even when one of you wakes up with qq+ he's got a 20% shot at winning anyways. the more i think about it the more i like his aggro. although maybe 4.5k is a little short to be getting this active, but not much.

[thetank]

obv he's maxing the % of time he gets itm. i think raising might do that as the medium stacks cant put any pressure on given their stacks and no-one is calling allin. therefore all that should happen is that the other players stay around the same stack while JTM blinds away or one of the shorties runs into another's monster. him raising every hand stops you guys from picking up chips, and even when one of you wakes up with qq+ he's got a 20% shot at winning anyways. the more i think about it the more i like his aggro. although maybe 4.5k is a little short to be getting this active, but not much.

Until a noob gets fruity with ATs and he loses the pot and goes from 4.5k to 3k, from 99.96% ITM to 98.96% ITM

[George2Loose]

obv he's maxing the % of time he gets itm. i think raising might do that as the medium stacks cant put any pressure on given their stacks and no-one is calling allin. therefore all that should happen is that the other players stay around the same stack while JTM blinds away or one of the shorties runs into another's monster. him raising every hand stops you guys from picking up chips, and even when one of you wakes up with qq+ he's got a 20% shot at winning anyways. the more i think about it the more i like his aggro. although maybe 4.5k is a little short to be getting this active, but not much.

Until a noob gets fruity with ATs and he loses the pot and goes from 4.5k to 3k, from 99.96% ITM to 98.96% ITM

lol it was sooooooooooooted

[thetank]

 

In all seriousness though, the more harmful scenario to big stacks equity from continual aggression is the noob with a 3k stack who can't fold AA or KK.

Then his stack plummets from 4.5k to 1.5k, his equity shifts from 99.96% ITM to 70% ITM

Trying to claw your ITM up from 99.96 to 99.99 with continued aggression risks the aforementioned scenario.
 
Fuck that imo, just fold.

[George2Loose]

Anyway the point is- I shoved cos I'm stooopid

In future I'll wait for AJ suited

[dousche]

In all seriousness though, the more harmful scenario to big stacks equity from continual aggression is the noob with a 3k stack who can't fold AA or KK.

Then his stack plummets from 4.5k to 1.5k, his equity shifts from 99.96% ITM to 70% ITM

Trying to claw your ITM up from 99.96 to 99.99 with continued aggression risks the aforementioned scenario.
 
Fuck that imo, just fold.

surely he passes to 3k? and yes george, you're a silly silly boy. if you had any kinda skills you woulda won the million!

[gribbo]

Fold if you like money!

[thetank]

In all seriousness though, the more harmful scenario to big stacks equity from continual aggression is the noob with a 3k stack who can't fold AA or KK.

Then his stack plummets from 4.5k to 1.5k, his equity shifts from 99.96% ITM to 70% ITM

Trying to claw your ITM up from 99.96 to 99.99 with continued aggression risks the aforementioned scenario.
 
Fuck that imo, just fold.

surely he passes to 3k? and yes george, you're a silly silly boy. if you had any kinda skills you woulda won the million!

Probably yes.

You see my general point though. So little to be gained, so much to be lost.

[I KNOW IT]

What sort of stacksize would you recommend you need to go into switchoff mode in a DoN