mid stages of DTD £300 f/o

[Cf]

I've discussed this hand with a few people now and had opinions ranging from I played it well to I played it downright terrible. I'm going to omit all cards, and also my thought process. The idea being I want to see what everyone thinks the ranges are for the two players involved, and as such, whether my shove was a good play or not.

We're down to about 80 players left, from a starting field of 347. I'm sat on around 39k, having doubled up about 10-15 minutes ago. Blinds are 800/1600-200. Unfortuantly I don't have many reads on this table as I've only been on it about an hour. We have 3 of the CLs, two of which are to act after me, but are not in the blinds. The two blinds have so far been quite inactive.

Folds to hero in MP who raises to 4000.
All fold, except the SB (26k) who calls.

Flop: 

SB leads for 5500
Hero shoves

[AlexMartin]

give me sb stack size please.

[Cf]

sorry, ammended original post

[TheChipPrince]

He's put in nearly 40% of his stack so he aint folding, pointless shoving with a flush draw if its you, unless  maybe its something like ...  For you to be raising him here I think you have to be 100% sure your ahead, nothing too clever needed...

[daviebhoy]

After the shove :

Unknown SB AT+, 44+.
Unknown MP AT+, Axs, 99+, KQ/KJclubs

The more I think about this MP is likely to have KQ or KJ of clubs and SB has a big ace but I think above are ranges I would assign to each if I was in the hand.

[Longy]

Whats the question?

Fwiw i hate these guessing the hole cards games and have yet to see a thread where it made for better analysis than putting the hole cards in and then dicussing ranges from there.

[AlexMartin]

I've discussed this hand with a few people now and had opinions ranging from I played it well to I played it downright terrible. I'm going to omit all cards, and also my thought process. The idea being I want to see what everyone thinks the ranges are for the two players involved, and as such, whether my shove was a good play or not.

We're down to about 80 players left, from a starting field of 347. I'm sat on around 39k, having doubled up about 10-15 minutes ago. Blinds are 800/1600-200. Unfortuantly I don't have many reads on this table as I've only been on it about an hour. We have 3 of the CLs, two of which are to act after me, but are not in the blinds. The two blinds have so far been quite inactive.

Folds to hero in MP who raises to 4000.
All fold, except the SB (26k) who calls.

Flop: 

SB leads for 5500
Hero shoves

right hold the press. WTF u been there an hour and havent got any reads. What you been doing?

fwiw i think u can shove on him pretty light as his most ppls donking range is weak, but id like something to work with. Is he old/young? smartly/scruffy dressed, talkative blabla, tatoos on next/arm. 

[Cf]

I've discussed this hand with a few people now and had opinions ranging from I played it well to I played it downright terrible. I'm going to omit all cards, and also my thought process. The idea being I want to see what everyone thinks the ranges are for the two players involved, and as such, whether my shove was a good play or not.

We're down to about 80 players left, from a starting field of 347. I'm sat on around 39k, having doubled up about 10-15 minutes ago. Blinds are 800/1600-200. Unfortuantly I don't have many reads on this table as I've only been on it about an hour. We have 3 of the CLs, two of which are to act after me, but are not in the blinds. The two blinds have so far been quite inactive.

Folds to hero in MP who raises to 4000.
All fold, except the SB (26k) who calls.

Flop: 

SB leads for 5500
Hero shoves

right hold the press. WTF u been there an hour and havent got any reads. What you been doing?

fwiw i think u can shove on him pretty light as his most ppls donking range is weak, but id like something to work with. Is he old/young? smartly/scruffy dressed, talkative blabla, tatoos on next/arm. 

Well, I got moved to this table with about 20 minutes of day 1 left. We've only been playing about 50 mintues on day 2. When I said anyone in there, I meant the people in this hand. And my only read is that i've hardly seen the two people in the blinds play a hand. The BB had shoved once or twice in the 600/1200-100 level to get his double up, and has been pretty quiet after that.

The SB in this hand has been quiet, both in terms of talking, and playing cards. Guessing his age as late 20s, early 30s. Not smartly dressed, but not scruffy either, nothing particular stood out about him lol. I'm new to playing these bigger buyin events so yes, this is one area I need to improve at.

I've not designed the post as a "guess the holecards game", or at least, that wasn't the intention. I've left mine out so people can think from the villian's perspective of what I have, and how that might change his action. As far as I'm concerned my cards are irrelevent to whatever happens next.

[pokerfan]

snap Fold against your AAA

[Girgy85]

He's put in nearly 40% of his stack so he aint folding, pointless shoving with a flush draw if its you, unless  maybe its something like ...  For you to be raising him here I think you have to be 100% sure your ahead, nothing too clever needed...

would be nice in this spot!!

Just admit it was a bad play Charles!!

[gribbo]

Im a fish in general but more so in tournies!

Like the other guys said there is no way the guy is going anywhere after having put in a large % of his stack. I think the guy has AJ, AQ.
For you A9+ sets, 2 pair hands. Combo draws like girgy said aswell as  or    KcXc just depends if u think the guy is the time of player that will lead sets, two pair hands here aswelll as one pair hands. I don't think the guy is folding regardless.

[Girgy85]

Im a fish in general but more so in tournies!

Like the other guys said there is no way the guy is going anywhere after having put in a large % of his stack. I think the guy has AJ, AQ.
For you A9+ sets, 2 pair hands. Combo draws like girgy said aswell as  or    KcXc just depends if u think the guy is the time of player that will lead sets, two pair hands here aswelll as one pair hands. I don't think the guy is folding regardless.

I think was out in this hand but dont think our hero had it!!

[daviebhoy]

I think was out in this hand but dont think our hero had it!!

I'd be surprised to find out that our inactive SB has decided to wake up and flat pre with QJs/KQs/KJs then lead out on that flop. With no info I'd think his range was much tighter than that but alas with no info I am very likely to be way out!!

[EvilPie]

I'd guess that you got called by someone with K10, Q10 possibly even KQ, KJ for the gutshot and are gutted that you lost the pot.

Presumably you were on a semi bluff and the other guy made a bad call and you're wondering "what can he put me on to make the call".

Well I guess he's put you on a semi bluff and figures his bag of shit might just be ahead and might be worth a gamble.

UL. Next time don't bluff a station.

Or am I wrong?

[Cf]

Well, as Girgy has given away the villian in this example had  and was going nowhere.

I myself was just making a play at this pot. I'd raised preflop with  just to try and take these guys blinds.

The reason I posted was to get an idea for what you'd expect the villian's range to be in this spot. At the time I was thinking maybe a weak A or a T, and he was just taking a stab at it. I thought he had just enough chips behind for me to get him off this type of hand. I thought that if he'd connected in a big way he would probably check it to me to see if I fired at the pot.

In this spot I'm obviously trying to sell the ace. Is my play believable? And even if it is, do we expect it to show a long term profit?

(The results of this pot are irrelevent as far as I'm concerned, I'd have posted this hand anyway as making moves like this is something I need to gain experience in. fwiw he hit a flush, though i'm well aware he was a 2:1 favourite at this point).