sick spot with QQ in GUKPT brighton 300

[needa]

OK, THIS IS MY FIRST 'HAND FOR ANALSIS' SO BARE WITH ME OK GUYS.

OK, THE 300 D/C AT JANUARYS GUKPT IN BRIGHTON. I HAVE HAD SOME CARDS AND GOOD SPOTS AND IM A TOP 5 CHIP COUNT WITH LIKE 75K @ 600/1200.
MY SUPER SOFT TABLE (HAD ONE GOOD PLAYER WHOM I BELIEVE IS HORNERIS ON HERE) WAS JUST BROKEN AND I MOVED TO NEW TABLE.
BEFORE I HAD EVEN TAKEN MY CHAIR THE DEALER HAD TAKEN AN ANTE FROM MY CHIP RACK AND DEALT ME IN.
I TAKE MY SEAT AND LOOK DOWN AT  (MBN)..... FOLDS TO ME AND I OPEN FOR 3100. AS SOON AS MY CHIPS GO IN, THE BUTTON ANNOUNCES RAISE. HE MAKES IT 6200!!!!!!!!!!
FOLD BACK TO ME... WHAT IS MY PLAY HERE?
REMEMBER I HAVE JUST GOT TO TABLE, THE GUY WHO IS 3 BETTING ME IS ONE OF ONLY A FEW LEFT IN TOURNEY WHO HAVE ME COVERED (30 LEFT).  OBV NO READ.. APART FROM HE HAS ME COVERED AND IS ABOUT 40 YEARS OLD! I HAVE AN IMAGE TO MOST AS LOOSE, EVEN CRAZY YOUNG AGGRO KID, BUT HAVE NEVER PLAYED A HAND OF POKER WITH VILLAIN BEFORE?
SOME OPINIONS ON THE OPTIMAL PLAY IN LIVE POKER IN THIS SITUATION BASED ON ALL INFO AVAILABLE WOULD BE APPRECIATED GUYS?
(sorry if layout etc sucks... my first thread)
Thanks

[MC]

YOU DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO POST IT ALL IN CAPS! lol....

Re-pop to 18k looks in order.

Alternatively, you could flat and try and get lots of chips in on a non-Ace high board.

But I think you need to re-raise as you're pretty deep here

[needa]

ill wait for a few more responses (hopefully) then i will post what i done preflop.... etc

[Girgy85]

Flat an peel a flop off!

Obv its all systems gogogo if the flop doesnt contain an A or K!!

[dousche]

Flat an peel a flop off!

Obv its all systems gogogo if the flop doesnt contain an A or K!!

erm... all systems go? i methinks i either raise with the intention of passing to a jam or flat with the intention of keeping this pot pretty small. i dont want to get all the chips in here against an unknown that covers us. if the flop doesnt contain an a or k and our opponent gets shirty we dont want to be getting the lot in here (i c-call a CB and probably have to c-cringe fold to a second barrel). this is not a nice spot oop against another deep stack

[dousche]

YOU DIDN'T REALLY NEED TO POST IT ALL IN CAPS! lol....

this too

[needa]

ok... well, i did just peel against him (hated it obv as out of pos, with possibly the worst hand)...
Anyway, the flop was  ...... i checked and he bets 10k into like 14k ish? your play here?

[Cf]

I repop to 18-20k here. His response to your 4-bet should tell you everything you need to know. Namely, if he folds then you were ahead. And if he doesn't: you are more than likely behind. I fold to a preflop shove, and will be very careful on a board of undercards.

If I flat pre here then I'm probably doing so with set mining in mind, but this really does depend on the player. With no reads on the guy I'm giving his 3bet the benefit of the doubt.

On the flop given, then you could probably get away with representing AJ if you wanted to, so I would argue that raising it up to 30k isn't a bad play - you've now comitted almost half your stack and it looks super strong. Obviously if he comes over the top you're done.

But without any reads on the guy, I'd probably just let him have it here.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

I repop to 18-20k here. His response to your 4-bet should tell you everything you need to know. Namely, if he folds then you were ahead. And if he doesn't: you are more than likely behind. I fold to a preflop shove, and will be very careful on a board of undercards.

So what if he flats your 4bet? Nobody in their right mind with AA or KK 5 bet jams here surely.


Also :

"But without any reads on the guy, I'd probably just let him have it here."

WTF, Can I play you every week ?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

On the flop given, then you could probably get away with representing AJ if you wanted to, so I would argue that raising it up to 30k isn't a bad play - you've now comitted almost half your stack and it looks super strong. Obviously if he comes over the top you're done.

Also..

So you would play AJ by C/r the flop if you had that? And are you turning your hand into a bluff by doing this?

[needa]

i guess  i should of 4 bet pre, but i NEVER EVER want to 4 bet fold... and with out stacks so deep it was made hard.. you say he wouldnt 5 bet jam AA or KK, but a live donk?? im sure he might??
as i said i flatted pre, and it came ... I checked and he bet  10k... into about 14k. Effective stacks at this point are about 65k ish..
I decided to just smooth call the 10k for a couple of reasons... 1, i really thought there was a good chance i was behind, 2,  if raise im never getting action from a worse hand surely? and i dont want to make it 25/30 and then fold obv!
anyways, the turn was  ... so the board readsc ..
i checked and he INSTA says all in...
WTF...  call or fold??

[turny]

was reading this until u put......

MY SUPER SOFT TABLE (HAD ONE GOOD PLAYER WHOM I BELIEVE IS HORNERIS ON HERE)


then i knew it must be bollox so didnt read anymore... sorry

[needa]

well others at the table included ian frazer...... LOLLLLLLL...
please seat him at every table i am at in the future

[celtic]

was reading this until u put......

MY SUPER SOFT TABLE (HAD ONE GOOD PLAYER WHOM I BELIEVE IS HORNERIS ON HERE)


then i knew it must be bollox so didnt read anymore... sorry

 

[Girgy85]

I repop to 18-20k here. His response to your 4-bet should tell you everything you need to know. Namely, if he folds then you were ahead. And if he doesn't: you are more than likely behind. I fold to a preflop shove, and will be very careful on a board of undercards.

So what if he flats your 4bet? Nobody in their right mind with AA or KK 5 bet jams here surely.


Also :

"But without any reads on the guy, I'd probably just let him have it here."

WTF, Can I play you every week ?

Yea u can find him playing at ALea or Gala in Leeds!!