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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2009, 11:15:09 PM »

people do it all the time, they min3bet pre with AA to try and induce a shove or to get more money in the pot. They see a flop and get paranoid and try and get as much in as soon as possible. in my experience of uk circuit freezouts very seldom do you see midle aged players with stacks blow up with AK in this spot.
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2009, 11:31:42 PM »

people do it all the time, they min3bet pre with AA to try and induce a shove or to get more money in the pot. They see a flop and get paranoid and try and get as much in as soon as possible. in my experience of uk circuit freezouts very seldom do you see midle aged players with stacks blow up with AK in this spot.

A-K is part of his range which includes 9-9/10-10, maybe smaller pairs, maybe brainfeck air, and also A-A/K-K. But his range is wide enough that I figure an unknown with a wtf strat turns over A-A/K-K maybe 20% of the time. This vs a tourney winning pot makes it an easy call. Possible you don't see the A-K blow up in this spot much cos people have enough chips to fold when max A-K pressure is applied. There are good enough reasons for me to want to see that big pair if he's got it.
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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2009, 11:34:27 PM »

have to agree to disagree here m8. There is only so far we can go with this convo, without knowing a large sample size of this sit, whhich their isnt, and also the player in question which we dont know
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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2009, 12:21:53 AM »

Im with Trigger here.
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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2009, 02:02:52 AM »

Im with Trigger here.

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and as for his age being important, it is. very rarely do you see recreational middle-aged regulars willing to bluff theyre entire (significantly above average) stack. 20 year old wannabe pros on the other hand......
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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2009, 10:50:24 AM »

If we agree age is an important factor in breaking down this poker hand we must also agree internet poker is LOL.
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2009, 11:09:11 AM »

If we agree age is an important factor in breaking down this poker hand we must also agree internet poker is LOL.

HEM > seeing how old someone is
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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2009, 11:47:24 AM »

If we agree age is an important factor in breaking down this poker hand we must also agree internet poker is LOL.

HEM > seeing how old someone is

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2009, 11:57:21 AM »

Yo, so at the age of 35 can I expect to gradually lose my balls over the next 4-5 years, or do I just wake up on my 40th with no balls? How does it work?
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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2009, 11:58:33 AM »

Yo, so at the age of 35 can I expect to gradually lose my balls over the next 4-5 years, or do I just wake up on my 40th with no balls? How does it work?

You'll have bored your balls to death long before then... Cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2009, 01:45:12 PM »

A-K is part of his range which includes 9-9/10-10, maybe smaller pairs, maybe brainfeck air, and also A-A/K-K. But his range is wide enough that I figure an unknown with a wtf strat turns over A-A/K-K maybe 20% of the time. This vs a tourney winning pot makes it an easy call. Possible you don't see the A-K blow up in this spot much cos people have enough chips to fold when max A-K pressure is applied. There are good enough reasons for me to want to see that big pair if he's got it.

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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2009, 02:03:19 PM »

Yo, so at the age of 35 can I expect to gradually lose my balls over the next 4-5 years, or do I just wake up on my 40th with no balls? How does it work?

You'll have bored your balls to death long before then... Cheesy

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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2009, 02:30:16 PM »

If hero folds a hand as big as Q-Q to the jam don't people think it's a plain shitty bet by villain if he's holding the nut full house? Villain is making a bet that will NEVER be called. Why would he choose this strat with the nuts? Isn't it a fact that making a move that's seldom called is a much better bluff than vb? That's to say it's a bluff with A-K at all....our hand is under-repped so he could also be jamming jacks full of 10's/9's thinking he's ahead.

I was comparing this hand to the Tikay flopped flush thread. In that thread Tikay got flamed for even thinking about folding the 5th nuts vs 6 villains...including a jamming 40 year-old. The attitude was if we're beat gg it's a cooler. But here we have the 3rd nut boat vs 1 jamming 40 year-old villain and suddenly it's a clear fold. Don't know how we go from suggesting folding there is a level to folding here is +1.
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« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2009, 02:47:16 PM »

If hero folds a hand as big as Q-Q to the jam don't people think it's a plain shitty bet by villain if he's holding the nut full house?

no because you and most others call, making it a good bet ducy?
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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2009, 03:00:03 PM »

If hero folds a hand as big as Q-Q to the jam don't people think it's a plain shitty bet by villain if he's holding the nut full house?

no because you and most others call, making it a good bet ducy?

Our hand is under-repped so villain doesn't think we are this strong...he knows we don't have a J...he knows there's 35k in the pot...he knows he can apply max pressure if he jams. I think this is more likely than he knows we're gonna hero call all-in from 5th with a weakish hand...ducy?
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