77 in BB - 17BBs

[TheChipPrince]

Is calling that terrible?  We still have 15 BB's behind and it only wins us 3 1/2 BB's when he folds, If he calls we're never better than 55/45...

Discuss.

assuming you miss the majority of times, what is your plan post flop?

fire on a dry board?

check fold on a wet board?

Thats about bang-on i suppose, crai with one over would be a general line i think for me, check fold to a paint-tastic board.  I think everyone agrees the shove is best, there is no debate there, but I'm adamant the call is not horrible.

[AlexMartin]

Is calling that terrible?  We still have 15 BB's behind and it only wins us 3 1/2 BB's when he folds, If he calls we're never better than 55/45...

Discuss.

assuming you miss the majority of times, what is your plan post flop?

fire on a dry board?

check fold on a wet board?

Thats about bang-on i suppose, crai with one over would be a general line i think for me, check fold to a paint-tastic board.  I think everyone agrees the shove is best, there is no debate there, but I'm adamant the call is not horrible.

yeah, its very player dependant. v a weak tight player for example, call is better than shove.

[daviebhoy]

I don't think I've posted on a thread and not got abuse yet ;-)

I think this is an excellent resource for learning and discussing hands and I appreciate the comments. I know this does seem like a trivial situation. I thought the same to begin with and think I shove here 100% of the time. But, I think now we might be able to do better against some opponents by calling and even sometimes folding here depending on opponent.

[dousche]

anyone go 550 and pass to 4-bet? (firing out 700ish on any flop)