£1/2 live cash hand

[Jamier-Host]

I'd call as well pre and now be happy to put a big raise in and try to get all his chips involved.

[dousche]

get 'em in. he makes it 18 and c-bets so much wider than TT+. i like a small committing raise like 130, hoping he flats with 2 overs then shrugs and calls for the extra 100 on the turn. actually, maybe 140 sounds better. anyways, im losing track - get the chips in as best you can

[Prince Charles]

Preflop - call

two reasons:
1) Even agressive players sometimes get hands
2) The early limpers would be a concern

Post Flop - lead out
....here's why:
By check/raisng you are not asking a question of the limpers until it's too late....you may find yourself over committed  ie You and limpers check, button C-bets, and regardless of whether you raise or call - one of the limpers may re-raise and you have no idea what they are doing it with....it could be a raise to protect A8.

By leading out - you are asking the limpers how much they like their hand - the difference being is that you will have a much better idea of where you are in the hand and will have donated less money to the pot.

Check raising in this spot should only be attempted when you are heads up and if it is 3-way then only when the agressor is the very next person to act after you....thus you get to see the other person's play before it's your turn to act. (preferably not 3-way though)

Of course, if you've got a lock on the hand then it's different.

Mark

[TightEnd]

As it happens I c/raised to £150

He shoved

I was committed

He shows  . From then on its with the Poker Gods!

One of the points that had me thinking, afterwards, was whether it was right to be inflating the pot pre/post flop against an aggro player and how one should attempt to play small ball/pot control (or even should I?) with good but possibly marginal/flippy type hands against these lairy types.

All advice welcome

[kinboshi]

As it happens I c/raised to £150

He shoved

I was committed

He shows  . From then on its with the Poker Gods!

Perfect result then!

One of the points that had me thinking, afterwards, was whether it was right to be inflating the pot pre/post flop against an aggro player and how one should attempt to play small ball/pot control (or even should I?) with good but possibly marginal/flippy type hands against these lairy types.

All advice welcome

Your hand is unlikely to improve, and you're ahead of his range the majority of the time, so look to get it in.

[TightEnd]

"Perfect result then!"

It is? flipping minus a couple of percent edge for me for 300x bb or so?

[byronkincaid]

"Perfect result then!"

It is? flipping minus a couple of percent edge for me for 300x bb or so?

 you have 125 BBs. that's a shortstack live isn't it?

[TheChipPrince]

Perfect result then!


We're behind!!!!!!!!

[Longy]

Well with the overlay in the pot pre, it is not an awful result, better than folding if you turn the hands over. I would agree perfect is pushing it.

[TightEnd]

"Perfect result then!"

It is? flipping minus a couple of percent edge for me for 300x bb or so?

 you have 125 BBs. that's a shortstack live isn't it?

you're right 125x bb for me. Still a lot of bb to be in with 99, as  a slight dog, for. 

[kinboshi]

Well with the overlay in the pot pre, it is not an awful result, better than folding if you turn the hands over. I would agree perfect is pushing it.

Sorry, didn't notice the suits.

Still the right decision though.

[AlexMartin]

make it £40.

isolate the aggressive late position raise with almost certainly the best hand and get this HU, save money when early position shoves (and you fold). Your hand is very strong, but you will be set mining with nines if you let the others see the flop too.


:- just read rest of thread, i always think with hands like this look at the global scheme of things. You simply dont get your money in as a huge favourite that often in nlh, not nearly as often as you would like, but obviously w the dead money (as longy pointed out) its still a very good proposition to be flipping with overlay. Also, because of the tiny amount of hands you get in live, its not really ever gonna be a true test of skill, so you might aswell take every single tiny edge you can (wheras you might dodge this spot online playing a supersoft table) as you will rarely/never reach the appropriate sample size for it to be worth playing absolutely optimally.