DTD £75FO decision

[david3103]

Details are a little hazy, but this hand has been bothering me since Friday night.

Blinds were 300/600/50, about 23 left of 84

I'm UTG with c7,000 chips. I've played tight generally and rarely got to a point where my cards are seen.
I doubled up a little earlier with KQ in the SB and a Bind v Blind hand saw two Q s on the board, BB had Q6 :-)

I have KQ and decide to limp in and await developments

3 folds round to short stack who shoves for c3,500 at which I decide I am going to call, only to have my decision paused when the guy to his left shoves over the top and has me very comfortably covered.

I've not had long at this table and don't know either of the two others in this hand

All fold round to me...

[Horneris]

I would fold now given the previous action.

I would probs shove all in preflop tho in this situation. You have only 11 and a half BBs and im guessing the table was 7 or 8 handed given there was 23 left.

Shove pre and pick up the 1,300 most of the time.

[AlexMartin]

I would fold now given the previous action.

I would probs shove all in preflop tho in this situation. You have only 11 and a half BBs and im guessing the table was 7 or 8 handed given there was 23 left.

Shove pre and pick up the 1,300 most of the time.

+1 end of.

as played lets limp call just to tilt anyone at the table that thinks they have an edge in live poker.

[david3103]

as played lets limp call just to tilt anyone at the table that thinks they have an edge in live poker.

not sure I understand that bit Alex

[MC]

Definitely a shove pre. And if you aren't prepared to shove, folding is better than limping.

As played, fold now...

[paulhouk03]

I think you can find a fold pre but pretty nitty

i think limps bad

raising folding isnt great either

so shove or fold pre for me

[dousche]

insta fold now. preflop im undecided between jamming and passing. at this point in the tourney though theres no reason to be limping into pots, especially in early position.

[MANTIS01]

You have 10bb's and a tight image so not insta-snap-open-shoving is a real mistake. The only worse mistake I can think of is limping to await developments. No wait, an even worse mistake would be calling now. Don't get into the habit of limping UTG with a marginal hand and no chips. It is a strat with no positives.

[thetank]

I have to agree with mantis. KQ is a shat hand UTG with 11 bigs, open fold imo.

As played insta-fold... ldo

[TheChipPrince]

I would prefer to jam virtually any 2 on the button rather than shove KQ into 7 players, my preference is to fold pre. 

Definetly fold now.

[AlexMartin]

I would prefer to jam virtually any 2 on the button rather than shove KQ into 7 players, my preference is to fold pre. 

Definetly fold now.

really?

[david3103]

I'm getting the impression that my initial call wasn't a good move... why did I do it?

I don't like shoving UTG with 7 or 8 players behind me unless I definitely want a call. (AA yes/KK yes/QQ maybe)

There were shorter stacks than mine on the table and tbh, if the shortstack's shove had got round to me uncalled I was definitely calling - and that may be a problem for me, but as I saw it, KQ isn't in bad shape against almost any hand without an A, and plays marginally better against small pairs than AK does (very marginally, but better nonetheless).

The raise from the player behind shortie made me reconsider and I folded.

The opps tabled something like J 8 off (shortie) and A9.... (sorry my memory is shot from too little sleep since Firday morning. I do know that i was surprised by the raise if not by the ATC shove.

laugh away, I can take it!

[TheChipPrince]

I would prefer to jam virtually any 2 on the button rather than shove KQ into 7 players, my preference is to fold pre. 

Definetly fold now.

really?

Umm, I think so, although the 400 extra for ante's may sway me on reflection... Close imo

[Horneris]

I'm getting the impression that my initial call wasn't a good move... why did I do it?

I don't like shoving UTG with 7 or 8 players behind me unless I definitely want a call. (AA yes/KK yes/QQ maybe)

 

[MANTIS01]

I would prefer to jam virtually any 2 on the button rather than shove KQ into 7 players, my preference is to fold pre. 

Definetly fold now.

This isn't bad, but it's not an either-or choice right now. Firstly that opportunity has to present itself by everyone folding round to you...and with stacks like 3.5k knocking about that opportunity might not present itself in the next couple of hands. Then if you do push successfully you get back the stack you've got now so you don't make any progress for that move and we find ourselves back in this predicament again. If you do get called by pairs you wont be in good shape at all. And finally a tight player pushing UTG does carry some weight in a live game vs a button push.