DTD £75FO decision

[Longy]

He wasn't trying to be helpful, justr trying to boost his post count to reach 300.

Seriously why do people do this? The chances of me staking someone who i suspect of doing this are virtually zero.

[david3103]

I think I should probablly still be posting my HH in the Learning Centre, but wth, I'm here now.

I confess that one of my mistakes in this hand / the late stages of this tourney stems from my not playing antes very often.
That, added to my general nit approach stopped me from making the right move here.

I need more experience / more trips to DTD

Thanks to the last few posters for restoring my faith in this forum.

80+ posts <300
[ ] will rush to  staking board when I reach 300
[ ] would attract stakers

[kinboshi]

Question... If I rewrite the HH to give me AK off, and still limp call UTG would you still fold ?

If that was the case there would be a massive difference in your strategy. If you had A-K you would be limping to trap...as opposed to limping to see how things develop with the K-Q. The important point to appreciate is you don't have enough chips to limp-fold UTG at this point. So you should only be limping in this situation with that question already answered. Limping is better than standard raising at a busy table with your stack imo, but pushing is never bad in this spot either, and yes you want those chips in the middle no question.

You could limp here, but you're going to be making this play quite a few times with less premium hands, and surely you don't want to highlight to the more observant players that you want someone to play back at you in this case, and you want them to fold to a shove in another case?

[MANTIS01]

Question... If I rewrite the HH to give me AK off, and still limp call UTG would you still fold ?

If that was the case there would be a massive difference in your strategy. If you had A-K you would be limping to trap...as opposed to limping to see how things develop with the K-Q. The important point to appreciate is you don't have enough chips to limp-fold UTG at this point. So you should only be limping in this situation with that question already answered. Limping is better than standard raising at a busy table with your stack imo, but pushing is never bad in this spot either, and yes you want those chips in the middle no question.

You could limp here, but you're going to be making this play quite a few times with less premium hands, and surely you don't want to highlight to the more observant players that you want someone to play back at you in this case, and you want them to fold to a shove in another case?

When I get down to around 10bbs I obv wanna get my chips in the middle with a premium hand. If the table is busy...and if the table has finger-on-the-trigger-shorties...and if people aren't paying attention then limping has a decent chance of achieving this. If I do achieve this and stay in the tournament then I'm working 20+bb's and wont have to push again anytime soon...so the problems of balancing a pushing range will be behind me. And then you can limp from early with a bigger stack with a view to betting the flop vs suspiscious oppos. So range balancing works a number of ways. Anyway buddy the point was that limping is better than raising UTG from a ss cos even the non-observant players can see you've got premium when you put 1/3+ of your stack in.

[MC]

I outlasted people with substantially more experience at DTD (two at my first table were in the top tranche of the monthly leaderboard I believe),

Not meaning to be rude, but I don't see how you can equate lasting longer in one random tourament to an appropriation of skill...

Fair comment.

But regardless of my exit point, I still felt I played well. You have no way of knowing if that's the case so you'll have to take my word for it.

But whatever ... tbh I've heard enough on this thread to accept that

a) Limping UTG with KQ is not considered a good idea by the majority
b) Folding to the specific circumstances of the shove and re-raise is the unanimously recommended line.


Question... If I rewrite the HH to give me AK off, and still limp call UTG would you still fold ?

Not trying to suggest that you didn't play well! It's not like limp/folding KQ here is the biggest error, just a standard kinda mistake.

AK I probably still just shove with this chipstack. Whenever I try limping in these spots, I get 5 callers and the flop comes 567 of a suit I don't possess!

[EvilPie]

I think I should probablly still be posting my HH in the Learning Centre, but wth, I'm here now.

I confess that one of my mistakes in this hand / the late stages of this tourney stems from my not playing antes very often.
That, added to my general nit approach stopped me from making the right move here.

I need more experience / more trips to DTD

Thanks to the last few posters for restoring my faith in this forum.

80+ posts <300
[ ] will rush to  staking board when I reach 300
[ ] would attract stakers

Stick with PHA mate. I know a lot are cruel but it's a "cruel to be kind" thing. You'll get ripped a lot but so does everyone else and everyone knows it's all about improving everyone's game.

As for the hand mate the main reason for not calling imo is that you need to see all 5 cards to max the value of your hand.

You say that you call to see what develops which to me means that if you miss you're passing.

This means that if you happened to be up against someone with a small pair you didn't get your 50 50 shot against him as you didn't get to see all 5 cards.

Shove the lot in and you get 50:50 against a lot of hands that will call you 66 - JJ depending on stacks. 40:60 against some hands that call you A10, AJ possibly weaker Ax dependant on stacks.

Also a lot of hands that are beating you will pass and a lot of hands that can't get away from a hit flop will pass pre.

When the stacks get this short anyone who hits any part of the flop is getting the lot in. They won't be bothered about kickers if they happen to have made top pair.

If you have a big hand QQ, KK, AA then you can flat call for precisely the above reason. Anyone who hits anything of the flop will get the lot in and you will usually be ahead. If not then it's just unlucky.

All that being said there is also nothing wrong with passing KQ pre here. Just never flat.

[thetank]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

[kinboshi]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

[EvilPie]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

Hmmm over 50 words for you there Dan.

Not sure whether that should count towards the 300 worthwhile posts you require for staking.

How many are you on now?

[kinboshi]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

Hmmm over 50 words for you there Dan.

Not sure whether that should count towards the 300 worthwhile posts you require for staking.

How many are you on now?

I'm nearly there, surely?

No one would be mad enough to stake me though

[thetank]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

Paul making a lot of two word posts may be a fact (to use the parlance of the day).

You assigning his motive for doing so as to increase his post count and nothing more is certainly not a fact, it is pure conjecture and I assume that someone of your intelligence must be able to see that.
A lot of people make two word posts to join in with the community feel of this forum and don't give two hoots about their post count. I know I don't.

When he gets slammed for the lack of content in his posts, it reeks of bullying to me, and makes me slightly uncomfortable. Now it's the mods joining in too, I want to say my piece about this.

If he is just trying to increase his post count to get to 300, and this is pissing the members off, then you deleting his posts here and there just prolongs the whole process and makes no sense whatsoever from the point of view of appeasing members. I might understand a policy of warning then ban for making lots of small posts, might not agree with it but at least it would make more sense.

It's not paul I'm worried about, he seems to have a thick enough skin. It's the people who are just lurking on blonde, potential new members and valuable contributors, some of whom may be new to poker, maybe some are dyslexic, or English isn't their native language. They're going to get discouraged from making a post if the general atmosphere is that all new members posts are assesed for content.
It makes blonde look clique and I hate that. Kinboshi and tank et al, can post pisch, but no-one under 300 posts can. They MUST be after a quick stake.

So this is just a general appeal to those who consider themselves the last bastions of common sense. If you think a poster is posting a lot of tosh to qualify for staking eligibility, then if and when that day comes, don't fooking stake them. It's your money and your choice.
To the mods... BAN or leave the fook alone. Deleting half their posts is a waste of your time and prolongs the period whereby members are getting pissed off at the offending poster.

[EvilPie]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

Paul making a lot of two word posts may be a fact (to use the parlance of the day).

You assigning his motive for doing so as to increase his post count and nothing more is certainly not a fact, it is pure conjecture and I assume that someone of your intelligence must be able to see that.

When he gets slammed for the lack of content in his posts, it reeks of bullying to me, and makes me slightly uncomfortable. Now it's the mods joining in too, I want to say my piece about this.

If he is just trying to increase his post count to get to 300, and this is pissing the members off, then you deleting his posts here and there just prolongs the whole process and makes no sense whatsoever from the point of view of appeasing members. I might understand a policy of warning then ban for making lots of small posts, might not agree with it but at least it would make more sense.

It's not paul I'm worried about, he seems to have a thick enough skin. It's the people who are just lurking on blonde, potential new members and valuable contributors, some of whom may be new to poker, maybe some are dyslexic, or English isn't their native language. They're going to get discouraged from making a post if the general atmosphere is that all new members posts are assesed for content.
It makes blonde look clique and I hate that. Kinboshi and tank et al, can post pisch, but no-one under 300 posts can. They MUST be after a quick stake.

So this is just a general appeal to those who consider themselves the last bastions of common sense. If you think a poster is posting a lot of tosh to qualify for staking eligibility, then if and when that day comes, don't fooking stake them. It's your money and your choice.
To the mods... BAN or leave the fook alone. Deleting half their posts is a waste of your time and prolongs the period whereby members are getting pissed off at the offending poster.

Have to agree with this.

It also makes it more difficult to assess whether someone is a genuine poster if all of their crap posts are deleted.

If someone is asking for a stake the first thing I do is check their recent posts. If they all look ok because the mods have deleted the shit ones I am getting false info on the person.

If I can see loads of 2 word posts I know exactly what I am letting myself in for.

Just another thought to add to Tank's.

[kinboshi]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

Paul making a lot of two word posts may be a fact (to use the parlance of the day).

You assigning his motive for doing so as to increase his post count and nothing more is certainly not a fact, it is pure conjecture and I assume that someone of your intelligence must be able to see that.
A lot of people make two word posts to join in with the community feel of this forum and don't give two hoots about their post count. I know I don't.

When he gets slammed for the lack of content in his posts, it reeks of bullying to me, and makes me slightly uncomfortable. Now it's the mods joining in too, I want to say my piece about this.

If he is just trying to increase his post count to get to 300, and this is pissing the members off, then you deleting his posts here and there just prolongs the whole process and makes no sense whatsoever from the point of view of appeasing members. I might understand a policy of warning then ban for making lots of small posts, might not agree with it but at least it would make more sense.

It's not paul I'm worried about, he seems to have a thick enough skin. It's the people who are just lurking on blonde, potential new members and valuable contributors, some of whom may be new to poker, maybe some are dyslexic, or English isn't their native language. They're going to get discouraged from making a post if the general atmosphere is that all new members posts are assesed for content.
It makes blonde look clique and I hate that. Kinboshi and tank et al, can post pisch, but no-one under 300 posts can. They MUST be after a quick stake.

So this is just a general appeal to those who consider themselves the last bastions of common sense. If you think a poster is posting a lot of tosh to qualify for staking eligibility, then if and when that day comes, don't fooking stake them. It's your money and your choice.
To the mods... BAN or leave the fook alone. Deleting half their posts is a waste of your time and prolongs the period whereby members are getting pissed off at the offending poster.

OK then

[thetank]

That's a very good point Mr. Pie.

[Eck]

I like the limp call line with AK.

On a note related to the tangent, I wish people (namely paulhouk03) were given the benefit of the doubt with regard to increasing their post count. Slam them if and when they make a suspiciously timed staking post but not before.

It's not as if everything kinboshi posts is a quality well thought out contribution, or my own for that matter. (most of what I post is utter tosch) Maybe he just wants to contribute to the forum, don't know how long that's going to be the case if every one of his posts is scrutinized for legitimacy.

tank - I posted about him posting to increase his post count as we have been deleting lots of inane two-word posts, posted obviously to increase his post count and nothing else.  When he actually writes a proper post he actually does have something to contribute.

Paul making a lot of two word posts may be a fact (to use the parlance of the day).

You assigning his motive for doing so as to increase his post count and nothing more is certainly not a fact, it is pure conjecture and I assume that someone of your intelligence must be able to see that.

When he gets slammed for the lack of content in his posts, it reeks of bullying to me, and makes me slightly uncomfortable. Now it's the mods joining in too, I want to say my piece about this.

If he is just trying to increase his post count to get to 300, and this is pissing the members off, then you deleting his posts here and there just prolongs the whole process and makes no sense whatsoever from the point of view of appeasing members. I might understand a policy of warning then ban for making lots of small posts, might not agree with it but at least it would make more sense.

It's not paul I'm worried about, he seems to have a thick enough skin. It's the people who are just lurking on blonde, potential new members and valuable contributors, some of whom may be new to poker, maybe some are dyslexic, or English isn't their native language. They're going to get discouraged from making a post if the general atmosphere is that all new members posts are assesed for content.
It makes blonde look clique and I hate that. Kinboshi and tank et al, can post pisch, but no-one under 300 posts can. They MUST be after a quick stake.

So this is just a general appeal to those who consider themselves the last bastions of common sense. If you think a poster is posting a lot of tosh to qualify for staking eligibility, then if and when that day comes, don't fooking stake them. It's your money and your choice.
To the mods... BAN or leave the fook alone. Deleting half their posts is a waste of your time and prolongs the period whereby members are getting pissed off at the offending poster.

Have to agree with this.

It also makes it more difficult to assess whether someone is a genuine poster if all of their crap posts are deleted.

If someone is asking for a stake the first thing I do is check their recent posts. If they all look ok because the mods have deleted the shit ones I am getting false info on the person.

If I can see loads of 2 word posts I know exactly what I am letting myself in for.

Just another thought to add to Tank's.

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