LIVE HAND £50 FREEZEOUT

[MANTIS01]

i think this is definitely a pass. theres no need to be trying to turn your AJ into a bluff here either (you said you wanted to take it on the turn, someone else said we can now make him pass). imo his line screams overpairs or sets. bb has top pair/2pair if he's any good.

i quite like your line, but i dont like the things you were planning to do if the action changed! once you've called pre we're not looking to get it all in with just top pair. a lot of you have said that his hand is underrepped but if he starts getting lots of chips in it looks more like a set or a draw than top pair - just play it smallball. and as i said at the beginning, i think its a pass now

I share your thoughts about what his line looks like. But that's now he's raised the bb's jam. There's a healthy 15k pot in the middle when he decides what to do next...and raising to get HU with the bb to play for a 21k pot is a credible strat with those hands. Would he smooth call that bet with an over-pair or a set after taking the lead though? I felt the pot was big enough that he wouldn't want to do that. So if he did that I was going to push. Cos if I only called there would be almost 30k in the pot and 40k left in my stack with a hand that was pretty vulnerable, so calling seemed rather pointless.

[AlexMartin]

i like how you played it all (including the overlimp) and this is a clear fold now.

[T_Mar]

I would always raise pre due to how deep you are... Not doing so leads you to probs now imo

Again because of how deep you are, when he leads on the flop I dont mind a raise, you will get value from worse J's and FD's, by playing passively you going to lose value from the hands you potentially dominate and set yourself more headaches when he double or triple barrels... If he calls then he will give you a better idea of his hand with his turn action, if he comes back over the top you can dump (based on your read of him being solid, i am presuming you mean he's not over aggro in which case his bet/3-bet range is going to be pretty tight I would think??)

Re his iso raise after the bb jams... tough spot, not sure what is best.. probs a fold but dont like how you go there tbh

[dousche]

i think this is definitely a pass. theres no need to be trying to turn your AJ into a bluff here either (you said you wanted to take it on the turn, someone else said we can now make him pass). imo his line screams overpairs or sets. bb has top pair/2pair if he's any good.

i quite like your line, but i dont like the things you were planning to do if the action changed! once you've called pre we're not looking to get it all in with just top pair. a lot of you have said that his hand is underrepped but if he starts getting lots of chips in it looks more like a set or a draw than top pair - just play it smallball. and as i said at the beginning, i think its a pass now

I share your thoughts about what his line looks like. But that's now he's raised the bb's jam. There's a healthy 15k pot in the middle when he decides what to do next...and raising to get HU with the bb to play for a 21k pot is a credible strat with those hands. Would he smooth call that bet with an over-pair or a set after taking the lead though? I felt the pot was big enough that he wouldn't want to do that. So if he did that I was going to push. Cos if I only called there would be almost 30k in the pot and 40k left in my stack with a hand that was pretty vulnerable, so calling seemed rather pointless.

i think theres a reasonable chance that he's got a set if he flats the BB. more likely than an overpair anyway. even if he flats the BB i think we should be passing. what are you hoping for? get it in against a straight draw and a flush draw? imo you're a long way behind at least one of these guys

[MANTIS01]

Again because of how deep you are, when he leads on the flop I dont mind a raise, you will get value from worse J's and FD's,

How can you distinguish between getting value from worse J's/Fd's and giving value to sets/over-pairs if you raise the flop? Let's say he has a worse J, do you not agree that worse J can easily fold if I raise but that worse J can also easily bet the turn if he decides I'm the one on a FD. How do you play the turn if he calls the raise?

[dousche]

Again because of how deep you are, when he leads on the flop I dont mind a raise, you will get value from worse J's and FD's,

How can you distinguish between getting value from worse J's/Fd's and giving value to sets/over-pairs if you raise the flop? Let's say he has a worse J, do you not agree that worse J can easily fold if I raise but that worse J can also easily bet the turn if he decides I'm the one on a FD. How do you play the turn if he calls the raise?

i agree with this, once you've flatted pre i think we have to play this smallball given the stacks involved. the reason for limping is that you're in position and have the power to do this

[T_Mar]

Again because of how deep you are, when he leads on the flop I dont mind a raise, you will get value from worse J's and FD's,

How can you distinguish between getting value from worse J's/Fd's and giving value to sets/over-pairs if you raise the flop? Let's say he has a worse J, do you not agree that worse J can easily fold if I raise but that worse J can also easily bet the turn if he decides I'm the one on a FD. How do you play the turn if he calls the raise?

Re written this  3 times lol, I dont like any of my answers so far, which probs says something in itself!

ok thinking about some more, I much prefer the flat.. pot is being inflated unneccessarily by raising - agree! .. and can still get some value when he barrels worse j's, just we keeping the pot more manageable

Still raise pre though

[T_Mar]

btw.. where you playing £50fo with 15k starting chips ?? Sounds fun!

[George2Loose]

I still like the raise pre cos of how deep you are.

Deffo agree you have to fold now- however I can see him making this move with a worse jack (esp. in a 50 freeze)

FWIW if he had flatted the shove do you flat behind, jam or fold?

[KarmaDope]

btw.. where you playing £50fo with 15k starting chips ?? Sounds fun!

Grosvenor Walsall, I believe...

[MANTIS01]

Yeah, Grosvenor Walsall 3 x 5000 triple chance freezeout. Fun tournament and the standard's pretty good on the whole.

I was almost certain the guy was going to call the bb's jam and i'd already decided to push if he did. I think villain calling this is more indicative of a f/d or weak J. Figure over-pairs and sets raise to avoid outdraw risk in a 21k pot, I can't give this guy credit for being super trappy at this stage. So jam and play 27k vs a ss with a wide range imo.

[daviebhoy]

This hand has been bugging me. I have been wondering if the the 10k raise really means set or overpair ?

Surely JJ+ is unlikely leaving only 33 and 77 ? I think I would put in a 10k raise here with 77 with the flush draw on board so I would have to agree. There are many more hands we are infront of here though and so folding to his raise must be exploitable. If be doesn't have AJ beat here you have to say utg played it very well.

[Jamier-Host]

No shame in folding AJo pre in my books aswell if you want to get a feel for the table....

Just me biting here then....!

[AlexMartin]

Yeah, Grosvenor Walsall 3 x 5000 triple chance freezeout. Fun tournament and the standard's pretty good on the whole.

I was almost certain the guy was going to call the bb's jam and i'd already decided to push if he did. I think villain calling this is more indicative of a f/d or weak J. Figure over-pairs and sets raise to avoid outdraw risk in a 21k pot, I can't give this guy credit for being super trappy at this stage. So jam and play 27k vs a ss with a wide range imo.

hmmmm, i dont like this mate, unusually i think you are kinda bracketing your opponent here (u normal no.1 people person poster in pha imo). Ur hoping hes not smart enough to be tricky. Also ur hoping he doenst have an overpair and didnt just think ill see what the other huge stack does in this multiway coup 1st, or failing that, didnt realise the 4b isolate on the flop was a viable option (like he has KK, CALL!).

[AlexMartin]

No shame in folding AJo pre in my books aswell if you want to get a feel for the table....

Just me biting here then....!

be honest, have you ever folded AJ pre?

hope you are well fish, when is the u v mike thing again? i could use a laugh seeing butlin get spanked!!!