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[Jon MW]

 

Mass civil liberties and manslaughter comprehension fail.

I comprehend both perfectly well tyvm - my view on this case is based on what I saw in the video.  I appreciate if I'd been there and seen the whole picture that might be different.

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The victim died shortly afterwards, it may be hard to prove in court that the officer shoving him to the ground caused the stress/dislodged the thrombus that led to his heart attack 5 minutes later, but I think it's pretty likely that this was the cause. The police officer wanting to cause his death is not a prerequisite for a manslaughter charge. It's not even a prerequisite for a murder charge...

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I think all the drinking he did is probably a more likely cause.

And manslaughter charges after people being pushed over tend to be more along the lines of, they hit their head and bled out rather than they were pushed over and were too wasted to stand up - and then a bit later had a heart attack.

[Claw75]

The police officer wanting to cause his death is not a prerequisite for a manslaughter charge. It's not even a prerequisite for a murder charge...

we all understand this.  if the guy had, say, banged his head, after being pushed and later died as a result of that injury, then I would agree with you - think it would be difficult to prove that caused a heart attack though.  If it was proved that the drink was the culprit who do we look to press charges on then?  Don't have time to write my full views as we're off for the weekend any minute, but, as I've said, I've not seen anything other than the one piece of video footage - if I looked at all the evidence i may well reach a different conclusion.

[thetank]

I think all the drinking he did is probably a more likely cause.

Are you sure he'd been drinking? All the reports I've read say he was on his way home from work and that the man had nine kids/four young daughters. Where does all this drink and drugs talk come from?

[Acidmouse]

This is no excuse for getting hit but he looked pissed, he was walking like he was pissed and reports in todays papers saying he was pissed.

[G1BTW]

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[tikay]

Wow, 8 pages about this guy's tragic death, everyone's view set in stone, for or against, with few seeming to be able to grasp the difference between "Murder" & "Manslaughter", & all this on a poker forum. Good stuff, really.

I really hope there is an equally extreme reaction & outcry of protest next time a serving police officer or Serviceman/woman is killed in the line of duty.

[thetank]

Well there will definately be an extensive post mortem and we'll soon know the facts about exactly how boozy he was.

If there is a link between the vicious attack and the death, I'd like to see the policeman who did this spend some time inside. My advice to him if this day of justice comes is not to put his hands in his pockets.

[thetank]

Wow, 8 pages about this guy's tragic death, everyone's view set in stone, for or against, with few seeming to be able to grasp the difference between "Murder" & "Manslaughter", & all this on a poker forum. Good stuff, really.

I really hope there is an equally extreme reaction & outcry of protest next time a serving police officer or Serviceman/woman is killed in the line of duty.

4 pages on this guy's tragic death, the other 4 are about the somewhat less tragic bannning of Glasgow Bandit.

The debate is mostly about what constitutes manslaughter and assault, murder hasn't really come into it.

If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

[Delboy]

I think all the drinking he did is probably a more likely cause.

Are you sure he'd been drinking? All the reports I've read say he was on his way home from work and that the man had nine kids/four young daughters. Where does all this drink and drugs talk come from?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1168315/G20-policeman-suspended-new-pictures-reveal-victims-drunken-clash-officers-shortly-collapsed.html

[Jon MW]

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If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Every time anybody is killed by the police there is an investigation.

From the ones I've seen then, if anything, the investigations where the police themselves are killed tend to be less rigorous.

[tikay]

Wow, 8 pages about this guy's tragic death, everyone's view set in stone, for or against, with few seeming to be able to grasp the difference between "Murder" & "Manslaughter", & all this on a poker forum. Good stuff, really.

I really hope there is an equally extreme reaction & outcry of protest next time a serving police officer or Serviceman/woman is killed in the line of duty.

4 pages on this guy's tragic death, the other 4 are about the somewhat less tragic bannning of Glasgow Bandit.

The debate is mostly about what constitutes manslaughter and assault, murder hasn't really come into it.

If the police routinely deal with incidents where a member of the public is killed with the same level of attention and manpower as when one of their own is killed then your final paragraph has some relevance. If this is not the case (as is understandable) then it's right and proper for us (as members of the public) to look after our own a little too.

Well, yes, it has.

The reason the (now excellent) debate began so badly was due to the aggression & title of the original Thread - "Met - Murdering Scum".

[Hairydude]

Is the Bandit Banned forever??? surely a small sin bin for a while and warning worthy???

[thetank]

The reason the (now excellent) debate began so badly was due to the aggression & title of the original Thread - "Met - Murdering Scum".

lol, Gary's gig as headline writer for the daily mail didn't last too long.

[tikay]

Is the Bandit Banned forever??? surely a small sin bin for a while and warning worthy???

See my various replies on P5 of this thread.

He remains, currently, Banned, for a period not yet deciided, & the Duplicate Account he subsequently opened in a forlorn attempt to sneak under the radar has been perma-Banned.

[G1BTW]

Bandit permaban

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW0Sifakba4