losing faith in the maths - must read!

[kinboshi]

Variance, Mr Ezzo, is a wonderful thing.

You seem to be implying that the site - "one of the largest & most respected" (& thus making shed-loads of money, we can safely assume) has [people on the inside who] rigged the RNG server software to make you lose so that they can see your hole cards and make them win.

Why exactly would they do that?

 But welcome to blonde, & Happy Motoring.

fyp

Why would the big successful sites do that?  They have more to lose by not being vigilant against this sort of thing, don't they?

[Bongo]

I played a 6 seater sit n go last week. I got dealt about 120 hands. AA once, KK once, and QQ seven times. SEVEN times. In tens of thousands of games I have never even had QQ three times, nor four, nor five. SEVEN! Not rigged, obv, but the chances of it happening...

Did you win?

[G1BTW]

Variance, Mr Ezzo, is a wonderful thing.

You seem to be implying that the site - "one of the largest & most respected" (& thus making shed-loads of money, we can safely assume) has [people on the inside who] rigged the RNG server software to make you lose so that they can see your hole cards and make them win.

Why exactly would they do that?

 But welcome to blonde, & Happy Motoring.

fyp

Why would the big successful sites do that?  They have more to lose by not being vigilant against this sort of thing, don't they?

UB was a big successful site? They have, as seen, lost more as an outfit than has been gained by the insider-cheats. But it still happened. I'm sure they too thought they were vigilant at the time.
Can you be certain that none of the big sites have a team on the inside that plays against you and can control the outcome of flips at will?
5 years ago if I said 'omg, I just played this tourney, the guy is either god, or I'm sure he can see my f-ing hole cards', I'd have been told 'haha, stop being so silly/paranoid, the big sites make so much money, and are so secure, how could they possibly let such a thing happen, it's just variance and a lucky read.'

I'm not saying it happens at the big sites, I'm just saying I can't say with confidence that it doesn't.

[G1BTW]

I played a 6 seater sit n go last week. I got dealt about 120 hands. AA once, KK once, and QQ seven times. SEVEN times. In tens of thousands of games I have never even had QQ three times, nor four, nor five. SEVEN! Not rigged, obv, but the chances of it happening...

Did you win?

Yeah thankfully, it becomes a lot easier to play with confidence when you know good cards are just round the corner. The QQ were challenged 3 times, once winning a flip, once holding up as overpair, once splitting vs villain's (yes) QQ.

I did complain to the site a few days earlier about unfair disconnects and threatened to build up a bit of cash and never play there again. Very responsive Customer Care imho.

[GreekStein]

My dad was convinced that on Crypto you should always play hands with 6's in them as a 6 would make trips more frequently than any other card.

[ezzo]

Im not saying i think the site is rigged but i think there is an outside chance of there being a glitch in their software. As for these sites not being rigged, we only have to look at large companys that have defrauded the public for millions.

Who knows, i think the 'online rigged' debate will never go away. iI have played on all the other sites and only experienced this on the one site

[Cf]

Im not saying i think the site is rigged but i think there is an outside chance of there being a glitch in their software. As for these sites not being rigged, we only have to look at large companys that have defrauded the public for millions.

Who knows, i think the 'online rigged' debate will never go away. iI have played on all the other sites and only experienced this on the one site

What glitch might this be? It detects a race situation, spots your username, and intentionally lets the other player, whoever they might be, win?

It's just a pretty horrible run. Things will turn around... providing you haven't already smashed your monitor by this point

[Maxriddles]

I had a similar sort of horror run about 18 months ago when holding a pair against a smaller pair and it was tilting me severely, I just couldn't win even when making my set on the flop. The first and best piece of advice I got was to stop keeping count.

You've had an unlucky run in a coin flip situation, that is all.

[StuartHopkin]

Theres no such thing as variance. Only bad play. I picked a sample of your hands, what on earth were you thinking getting in to these spots?

Everyone knows 67 green is the nuts.

AA v 77  lost
kk v99   lost
aa v qq  lost

[Ironside]

i ran much worse at blackjack on tuesday

[tikay]

Im not saying i think the site is rigged but i think there is an outside chance of there being a glitch in their software. As for these sites not being rigged, we only have to look at large companys that have defrauded the public for millions.

Who knows, i think the 'online rigged' debate will never go away. iI have played on all the other sites and only experienced this on the one site

You missed my question Mr Ezzo.

Why would the site "fix it" for you to lose? What exactly would be their motive?.......

NB - You did say it was a "respected" Site, so we are assuming it's not UB or AB.

As for the guy who had QQ 7 times in a night, it happens. I had AA 7 times at Luton one night last week, & I can go weeks without seeing AA.

I just love these conspiracy theorists - but they still play Online!

[G1BTW]

Im not saying i think the site is rigged but i think there is an outside chance of there being a glitch in their software. As for these sites not being rigged, we only have to look at large companys that have defrauded the public for millions.

Who knows, i think the 'online rigged' debate will never go away. iI have played on all the other sites and only experienced this on the one site

You missed my question Mr Ezzo.

Why would the site "fix it" for you to lose? What exactly would be their motive?.......

NB - You did say it was a "respected" Site, so we are assuming it's not UB or AB.

As for the guy who had QQ 7 times in a night, it happens. I had AA 7 times at Luton one night last week, & I can go weeks without seeing AA.

I just love these conspiracy theorists - but they still play Online!

Have you ever had a pair of Queens seven times in a night?

[tikay]

Im not saying i think the site is rigged but i think there is an outside chance of there being a glitch in their software. As for these sites not being rigged, we only have to look at large companys that have defrauded the public for millions.

Who knows, i think the 'online rigged' debate will never go away. iI have played on all the other sites and only experienced this on the one site

You missed my question Mr Ezzo.

Why would the site "fix it" for you to lose? What exactly would be their motive?.......

NB - You did say it was a "respected" Site, so we are assuming it's not UB or AB.

As for the guy who had QQ 7 times in a night, it happens. I had AA 7 times at Luton one night last week, & I can go weeks without seeing AA.

I just love these conspiracy theorists - but they still play Online!

Have you ever had a pair of Queens seven times in a night?

Yes - Southampton Summer Fessie, & I still failed to Final......

It's unusual, but the question begs the answer - why would a site fiddle it to give someone QQ 7 times?!

All these conspiracy theorists forget one simple thing.

MOTIVE.

But it's an argument nobody can ever win. The oddity is that those that go on about, still play Online. Go figure.

[ezzo]

In answer to TK:

im not saying the site is rigged and i guess deep down, i know its just a bad run of luck - a very bad run at that. I may have hinted that i think something is amiss but i guess thats just emotion speaking. I guess when someone runs this bad, they want to blame someone but theres noone to blame.

Im playing back on Cake now and my coin flip rate is at 45% where it should be and i guess if i continue to play the volume of hands that i play, i will experience something similar on Cake - variance, plain and simple

On another note, ive not posted here b4 and am very impressed at the responce and the the amount of replys in a short time, great forum!!

[tikay]

In answer to TK:

im not saying the site is rigged and i guess deep down, i know its just a bad run of luck - a very bad run at that. I may have hinted that i think something is amiss but i guess thats just emotion speaking. I guess when someone runs this bad, they want to blame someone but theres noone to blame.

Im playing back on Cake now and my coin flip rate is at 45% where it should be and i guess if i continue to play the volume of hands that i play, i will experience something similar on Cake - variance, plain and simple

On another note, ive not posted here b4 and am very impressed at the responce and the the amount of replys in a short time, great forum!!

Exactly that, no more, no less.

Everyone goes through these runs from time to time - AND the opposite! - and it tests players mettle, & backbone. Remember, poker is 80% (insert slightly lesser figure if you wish) luck-based.

Glad you like the forum. Stick around. Learn words like juuuuuune, tez, meh, fml, & ffs.