Big Slick £300. In the money 2 chip leaders collide

[GreekStein]

Little background to the hand. We're in the money of the £300 at the Big Slick Club on day 2. There's 1,900,000 in play and blinds are 2,000/4,000 with an ante. 18th-10th pays £300 (stupid for a tourney with 103 runners imo).

Villain is chipleader. His name is Martin Bader and all I know is he won an EPT 12 years ago. (Not that this should mean I view him as brilliant - even Surinder Sunar won an EPT back in the day!). He's been the most aggro player on the table and has about 475,000. I'm second in chips with 14 left and 390,000. Villain is opening the most pots and I'm directly on his left. I'm generally opening pots when he passes. I've not shown down much and he probably views me as very capable and quite aggro but won't get stupidly out of line.

I'll post the hand in stages a la George2Loose and Blatch.

It folds all the way round to him on the button and he opens to 14,500. I look down at AQ in the SB.

We?

[celtic]

33k

[LeedsRhodesy]

re raise to 45k if he shoves then you fold

[jezza777]

pass, hand has little value oop against a strong stack and competent player. If you arnt both at the top of the tree chip wise I play it differently.

[celtic]

re raise to 45k if he shoves then you fold

if you're gonna do that then better to make it 33k and fold.

[LeedsRhodesy]

then again your out of position vs him if the board come down  9 high what are you going to do??

[GreekStein]

pass, hand has little value oop against a strong stack and competent player. If you arnt both at the top of the tree chip wise I play it differently.

huh? pls dont say you're telling me to pass pre to his button open

My question was more along the lines of (a) is there any merit in flatting here (b) how much do we 3-bet to?

[LeedsRhodesy]

pass, hand has little value oop against a strong stack and competent player. If you arnt both at the top of the tree chip wise I play it differently.

huh? pls dont say you're telling me to pass pre to his button open

My question was more along the lines of (a) is there any merit in flatting here (b) how much do we 3-bet to?

you can't flat call you will never find out where you stand raise to 45k and 99% of the time he folds

[George2Loose]

Sunar won a WPT

I flat here- bit nitty but from what I can see if we 3 bet and he 4 bets it's a horrible spot. If he flats your three bet your playing a much bigger pot OOP

[daviebhoy]

It folds all the way round to him on the button and he opens to 14,500. I look down at AQ in the SB.

We?

AQo or AQs ? I'd be more inclined to gamble preflop with AQs.

Calling and look to check/raise most flops looks like a good line to me. I don't like passing here because you need to make him think twice about constantly raising your blinds. If you hit the pot hard lead out looking for him to raise you. If you miss and he re-pops your check/raise give it up.

[LeedsRhodesy]

Sunar won a WPT

I flat here- bit nitty but from what I can see if we 3 bet and he 4 bets it's a horrible spot. If he flats your three bet your playing a much bigger pot OOP

but if you flat call and it comes 9high what do you do then??? you don't have a clue where you stand,

[mike saban]

imo raise to 40K. Its large enough to let him know you have a decent hand and to hoefully remove curiousity of him seeing a flop, if he comes back over the top, well you'll just have to let it go.

[George2Loose]

Sunar won a WPT

I flat here- bit nitty but from what I can see if we 3 bet and he 4 bets it's a horrible spot. If he flats your three bet your playing a much bigger pot OOP

but if you flat call and it comes 9high what do you do then??? you don't have a clue where you stand,

You play a flop? If we 3 bet and he raises pre it doesn't necessarily tell us anything either. What if you 3 bet and he flats and it comes 9 high? I'd prefer to keep the pot small OOP

[LeedsRhodesy]

Sunar won a WPT

I flat here- bit nitty but from what I can see if we 3 bet and he 4 bets it's a horrible spot. If he flats your three bet your playing a much bigger pot OOP

but if you flat call and it comes 9high what do you do then??? you don't have a clue where you stand,

You play a flop? If we 3 bet and he raises pre it doesn't necessarily tell us anything either. What if you 3 bet and he flats and it comes 9 high? I'd prefer to keep the pot small OOP

 you need to raise it pre flop to see if he has a hand  he could easy have 96 here and is making a play and if you raise to 40k he will give it up most hands

if you raise and he calls then check the flob if you miss if you hit put a small bet in and hope he re raises you

[thetank]

I'm gonna be controversial.

I pass pre

Who wants to play oop against the chip leader with a less than premium hand when you are 2nd place with ~100 bigs with 14 left.

Fk that, plenty easier spots to accumulate chips form mid stacks and such as final table bubble approaches.

I'd flat with 78s tho.