25 nl full ring

[cambo]

gonna post this hand in stages, thoughts please.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11919240709: Table Tortilla - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:54:46 ET - 2009/04/28
Seat 1: Nussiiik ($5)
Seat 2: seb17 ($14.14)
Seat 3: Stirbnixx ($24.50)
Seat 4: benjalob ($25)
Seat 5: Dont_B_A_Hero ($25)
Seat 6: AndrGL ($22.70)
Seat 7: cmbf117 ($25.35)
Seat 8: StageWhisper ($47.49)
Seat 9: mmadlena ($15.71)
Dont_B_A_Hero posts the small blind of $0.10
AndrGL has 5 seconds left to act
AndrGL is sitting out
cmbf117 posts the big blind of $0.25
AndrGL stands up
5 seconds left to act
kiddyham89 sits down
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS *** my hole cards 
kiddyham89 adds $5
StageWhisper calls $0.25
mmadlena folds
Nussiiik has 15 seconds left to act
Nussiiik folds
seb17 folds
benjalob folds
Dont_B_A_Hero calls $0.15
cmbf117 checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Dont_B_A_Hero bets $0.50
cmbf117 raises to $1.50
StageWhisper calls $1.50
Dont_B_A_Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Dont_B_A_Hero has requested TIME

[boldie]

I take it you are "Don't be a hero"?

If so; have a plan before leading out next time please.

Now it's a clear fold..you were re-raised and there was a flat caller of that re-raise. You should be well behind here.

[daviebhoy]

I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position.

I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though.

[boldie]

I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position.

I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though.

What do you assume stagewhisperer has/should have here to flat a re-raise? ( I am assuming he's not a complete chasing donk)

[outragous76]

I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position.

I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though.

What do you assume stagewhisperer has/should have here to flat a re-raise? ( I am assuming he's not a complete chasing donk)

I dont think this is a fold yet. We are playing .1/.25! I would more likely out them on 9T or TJ and they are raising for 'info' at these levels!

I think you have 2 reasonable options with a $25 stack - you can raise again here to find out if you are ahead - or you can flat and reassess and try and get to a show down!

Not folding to this raise in this spot - ever. If he has 2 pair you have clean outs! He doesnt raise a set on that board. Not sure why you are frightend of 2pr on a really discombobulated board.

[cambo]

I take it you are "Don't be a hero"?

If so; have a plan before leading out next time please.

Now it's a clear fold..you were re-raised and there was a flat caller of that re-raise. You should be well behind here.

yes thats me, and who says i dont have a plan? its a semi interesting hand, dont know how often u play fr 25nl boldie but everyone is basically terrible , can be hard to get a read sometimes when ur playing a ton of tables at once but this is a situation that happens time and again

when i donk into the flop and the bb raises he has 10x here most of the time the callers range is massive aswell just cos hes cold called the 3 bet means not that much at this level in my exp , could have 99 88 10x a6 almost anything -over cards even

ill post rest of the hand later on

[boldie]

I don't think this is a clear fold. BB might of flopped 2 pair but more likely he has Tx. Hard to imagine stagewhisperer has you beat at this point. If you call there aren't many turn cards you are going to like and OOP it will be difficult to get this to showdown unless BB slows down. A re-raise however might get rid of of guy in position but also creates bigger pot out of position.

I think this is a tough spot and without reads a fold can't be that bad. I probably call and make a decision on the turn though.

What do you assume stagewhisperer has/should have here to flat a re-raise? ( I am assuming he's not a complete chasing donk)

I dont think this is a fold yet. We are playing .1/.25! I would more likely out them on 9T or TJ and they are raising for 'info' at these levels!

I think you have 2 reasonable options with a $25 stack - you can raise again here to find out if you are ahead - or you can flat and reassess and try and get to a show down!

Not folding to this raise in this spot - ever. If he has 2 pair you have clean outs! He doesnt raise a set on that board. Not sure why you are frightend of 2pr on a really discombobulated board.

I agree, I don't raise to fold here...then again, I don't lead out here.

I am also not concerned about 2 pair. I do think A10 is an option..and stagewhisper could very well have a set. My main concern here is shoving in 20-25% of my stack with K10, you're not all that likely to be ahead against 2 other players on this board.
I am also not keen on playing a big pot out of position with this hand on this board, so re-raising (and likely to see them call or maybe even ship it in) doesn't quite work for me.

I'm more than comfortable folding here.

[boldie]

I take it you are "Don't be a hero"?

If so; have a plan before leading out next time please.

Now it's a clear fold..you were re-raised and there was a flat caller of that re-raise. You should be well behind here.

yes thats me, and who says i dont have a plan? its a semi interesting hand, dont know how often u play fr 25nl boldie but everyone is basically terrible , can be hard to get a read sometimes when ur playing a ton of tables at once but this is a situation that happens time and again

when i donk into the flop and the bb raises he has 10x here most of the time the callers range is massive aswell just cos hes cold called the 3 bet means not that much at this level in my exp , could have 99 88 10x a6 almost anything -over cards even

ill post rest of the hand later on

fair enough...and I never touch this level TBH (only on a crazy spin-up but then it's omaha). I do imagine most players would be terrible at this level...but surely you can find a better spot than this to get your chips in? If you're in position here I'd like the hand a lot more...but this hand on this board with the flop-action, doesn't do much for me.

[cambo]

Dont_B_A_Hero calls $1
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Dont_B_A_Hero checks
cmbf117 bets $3.50
StageWhisper calls $3.50
Dont_B_A_Hero has 15 seconds left to act

[daviebhoy]

It is practically impossible to define these two guys hands but you would think one of them has KT beat. I don't really want to be putting in most of my stack here on the river so prob fold now.

[cambo]

Dont_B_A_Hero calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Dont_B_A_Hero checks
cmbf117 checks
StageWhisper has 15 seconds left to act
StageWhisper bets $10

[paulhouk03]

deffo shove on river

i would never fold on the flop here coz its 25nl
and i dont believe they have a high level of understanding in poker

its a tricky spot on flop and turn

[outragous76]

Dont_B_A_Hero calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Dont_B_A_Hero checks
cmbf117 checks
StageWhisper has 15 seconds left to act
StageWhisper bets $10

lol internet poker rocks - the card that kills you! You are obv never folding - but he has 22 or 66

I just call this spot

[boldie]

Dont_B_A_Hero calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Dont_B_A_Hero checks
cmbf117 checks
StageWhisper has 15 seconds left to act
StageWhisper bets $10

lol internet poker rocks - the card that kills you! You are obv never folding - but he has 22 or 66

I just call this spot

after what you did on the flop and turn you can't possibly find a fold here...in fact, you might as well shove as you had already convinced yourself you were ahead, how can you be behind now?

[cambo]

boldie you talk a power of shite on this forum, you spark up with some nonsense early doors, get spanked, then wait for some1 who has half a clue to post a theory then type "this"

its embarrasing how many times you do it

from now on please do not comment on my pha threads anymore, your farcical analysis tilts me no end, im sure im not alone.