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« on: May 06, 2009, 03:47:57 PM »

taken from a Betfair news article

I am not sure this tell is accurate. Your thoughts please

this is the single most useful tell in low stakes poker games in my opinion. It can easily give you a complete idea of the strength of a weak player's hand, and it is very rare in poker to get such obvious and precise information, being able to collect this info and acting on it drastically increases your win rate.

The chip glance simply refers to a player looking down at their chips before the action gets to them once the flop has been dealt. This brief glance down nearly always means that this player is intending to bluff and has missed the board. The reason that this glance usually indicates this is that the player subconsciously realises that their hand cannot win the pot, therefore the only option available left to them is to bluff with their chips, hence the glance down.


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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 03:50:12 PM »

I caught myself doing this once when I flopped 2 pair. I cursed myself and oppo folded. Wish he'd read that.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 03:53:13 PM »

I always assume that people looking at their chips straight away is a natural reaction to a big hand.

I.e. they look at their chips and their opponents to work how to get them and how much to bet etc
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 03:54:19 PM »

I always assume that people looking at their chips straight away is a natural reaction to a big hand.

I.e. they look at their chips and their opponents to work how to get them and how much to bet etc

me too, in fact the eaxct opposite of what the article suggests..if I rely on it at all, which I rarely do lol
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 04:01:37 PM »

I always assume that people looking at their chips straight away is a natural reaction to a big hand.

I.e. they look at their chips and their opponents to work how to get them and how much to bet etc

In Caro's Book of Tells, he gives the Chip Glance as the absolute number one tell - far more reliable than any other one, and he says it means the player wants to bet because they have a big hand, not that they want to bet as a bluff.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 04:23:41 PM »

OMG - that is the worst advice ever!

The chip glance from a weak player is pretty much an automotive response of a BIG hand NOT weakness. To poor players (who dont know) it would be almost impossible not to do!

That is shocking advice - who gave it? This tell is worth more $$$$$$ per hour than any other in terms of it being so specific!

Its like the heavy heart beat - that tell is either a huge hand or a huge bluff - and you need to piece it together with other info to work it out. The chip glance - big hand - 99% of time

As for the chip stare or more importantly the card stare - this is more an indication that they are considering a bluff.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 04:34:05 PM »

I think 99% of players will tell you the opposite to that article
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 04:36:19 PM »

It sounds to me like the person who wrote the article doesn't particularly know anything about poker - but has read Caro's book of tells (or at least seen some bullet points) - and they've remembered it the wrong way round.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 04:41:22 PM »

Just read the article.  Not sure about this bit either tbh.....

They stare at the board or at their opponents around them whenever they have a hand, desperately trying to stay as passive and unassuming as possible
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 04:43:12 PM »

I wouldn't normally repeat the article because of the links etc, but it just struck me as so odd......

http://betting.betfair.com/poker/marcus-bateman/live-tells-the-chip-glance-060509.html
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 05:46:37 PM »


Pure & utter poo.

Never heard such toshage.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 05:59:32 PM »

Just Lol
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 08:53:09 PM »

 

For what it`s worth in my experience, players glancing down at their chips are almost certainly going to bet. Usually a player so eager to bet has a hand to protect, so it is most unlikely to be a bluff. Players considering  a bluff have a lot more to think about such as amount to bet etc, most players inexperienced or otherwise,  will take a little time for consideration before bluffing at a pot.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 09:32:23 PM »

I agree with this article for the most part tbh as long as the glance is for a little while (think 'brief' prob means something different to many people here than what it does to the author). A lot of the week players in live games usually sit like still or make a really quick look down when they have the nuts but start looking at their chips for a little while or wriggling around with chips trying to look strong when they want to bluff. Obv with all live tells it is very player dependent but I've seen a lot of guys that do this consistently when they making a move.





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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 09:39:46 PM »


The chip glance simply refers to a player looking down at their chips before the action gets to them once the flop has been dealt

What if, like me, the player never looks at his cards until the action is on him/her?
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