Sitting out when 'on your arse' - Ethical or not?

[FuglyBaz]

Just played a 30 man SnG where I bubbled in 6th with top 5 getting paid. I'm left with a sour taste in my mouth because a player who had 255 chips at 200/400 sat out for the final 20 minutes of the game, and ended up finishing 2nd!

Made worse, is the fact that the other players on the table were assisting this cheat to survive. Blinds at 300/600 and the sitter had $555 in the BB. Aggro Donk chip leader who has over 30k in chips has raised everybody for last 20 hands, except when the sitter is in the BB! And the person in SB refuses to call off despite getting superior odds and equity to do so.

Personally I think it stinks that sitters are able to win money. And its even worse when the other players on the table help them. It's my opinion that sitting out is unethical. At least, to do so with no intent of returning and hoping just to win. Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

Any opinions on the subject?



Note: it isn't about money, it's about fair play and principles, both have which have blatantly been broken by this sitter.

[byronkincaid]

Any opinions on the subject?

sorry, you're wrong about this

[TheChipPrince]

Its more than in the big stacks interest to keep the sitout in the game...

How do you know he wasn't disconnected?

[tikay]

I don't quite see the issue here. He can sit out as long as he wants, quite legitimately, & morally, as far as I'm aware. I think it's reprehensible to call him a "cheat" on those grounds.

Every player on the Table had an opportunity to take on the "dead man" if, as you suggest, he really had 255 chips with the Blinds at 200-400! Why on earth did everyone Pass when he was in the Blinds every orbit?

The issue of other players "colluding" is a different kettle of fish altogether, of course, but that was not, if I read you correctly, your real gripe.

[kukushkin88]

Totally disagree. The sitting out could have been for a range of reasons we can't reasonably speculate on what the reasons may be. He gains no advantage whatsoever from sitting out.

The big stack taking advantage of the table dynamic as in this situation is just good basic strategy. Maintaining a bubble in order to steal is just good play.

No cause for complaint here.

[GreekStein]

Totally disagree. The sitting out could have been for a range of reasons we can't reasonably speculate on what the reasons may be. He gains no advantage whatsoever from sitting out.

The big stack taking advantage of the table dynamic as in this situation is just good basic strategy. Maintaining a bubble in order to steal is just good play.

No cause for complaint here.

Exactly this^^

You can't punish someone for sitting out when it could be for all sorts of reasons - the most common being people losing internet connection.

[tikay]

Totally disagree. The sitting out could have been for a range of reasons we can't reasonably speculate on what the reasons may be. He gains no advantage whatsoever from sitting out.

The big stack taking advantage of the table dynamic as in this situation is just good basic strategy. Maintaining a bubble in order to steal is just good play.

No cause for complaint here.

Summed up perfectly.

I think calling this guy a "cheat" is a real shocker!

[Ironside]

Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

nope in a live game a player can go away from table as long as he likes and just pays his taxes(blinds) when he needs to
other players can play how they want round his blinds but its hard to fold to an empty chair when others at your table might want to "talk" to you outside

[kinboshi]

Sit out as long as you like. You've paid your entry fee and they're your chips to do as you want (or don't as the case may be) with.

Don't understand why he'd be cheating, or the difference between him sitting out or folding every hand whilst being sat there?

[tikay]

Surely if you did this in a live game you just get disqualified?

nope in a live game a player can go away from table as long as he likes and just pays his taxes(blinds) when he needs to
other players can play how they want round his blinds but its hard to fold to an empty chair when others at your table might want to "talk" to you outside

Correct, & it often happens. And when it does, the other players adjust their strategy accordingly. Or at least, the bright ones do.

If anyone was dumb enough to fold to an empty chair, he'd be laughed out of the Cardroom. Online, players would just contact "Support".

[FuglyBaz]

I dont like being called names by a man I respect. I asked what I thought was a legitimate question. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be told so, but to be called names is a tad unfair. I'm a gripe for asking a question and feeling that the SB failing to call half a blind when stacked up with plenty of chips is wrong?

Case closed and I'll move on to the next game. Thanks Mr Kendall for your opinion on me. Proof you should never speak to the people you respect for as they always disappoint

[tikay]

Sit out as long as you like. You've paid your entry fee and they're your chips to do as you want (or don't as the case may be) with.

Don't understand why he'd be cheating, or the difference between him sitting out or folding every hand whilst being sat there?

Spot on. It's how Tighty & I play all the time.

[GreekStein]

I dont like being called names by a man I respect. I asked what I thought was a legitimate question. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be told so, but to be called names is a tad unfair. I'm a gripe for asking a question and feeling that the SB failing to call half a blind when stacked up with plenty of chips is wrong?

Case closed and I'll move on to the next game. Thanks Mr Kendall for your opinion on me. Proof you should never speak to the people you respect for as they always disappoint

huh? did i miss something?

[tikay]

I dont like being called names by a man I respect. I asked what I thought was a legitimate question. If I'm wrong I'm happy to be told so, but to be called names is a tad unfair. I'm a gripe for asking a question and feeling that the SB failing to call half a blind when stacked up with plenty of chips is wrong?

Case closed and I'll move on to the next game. Thanks Mr Kendall for your opinion on me. Proof you should never speak to the people you respect for as they always disappoint

Hold up Fugly! When did I "call you names"? Quote me, please. At NO stage did I call you anything, or imply as such. The question was answered honestly, & respectfully.

But I'm used to disappointing peeps. Sorry bout that.

[FuglyBaz]

I thought you called me a gripe (after reading it twice). Read it a third time and you said something different.

Im a fkin idiot.

Maybe cheat was a bit harsh, but that is what I thought and I thought I would ask the question.

Why couldnt I have a go at the dead man? I was directly to the right of the guy with over 30k chips who was going all in every hand or calling ANY all in with ANY two cards. So I couldnt go unless I showed strength. When I did, it was set over set and I was out.