Two interesting articles from the Telegraph

[david3103]

Some of you may already know of Patrick Veitch, I confess I didn't before I read http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/5453310/Patrick-Veitch-Tormentor-of-the-bookies.html/url].. We all knew about Sir Clement Freud but this may generate a smile or two on the worst of betting days [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/5453735/Sir-Clement-Freud-Resist-ownership-unless-you-are-very-rich-or-slightly-insane.html

[kinboshi]

I'll try and edit those links so they work...wish me luck!

[kinboshi]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/5453310/Patrick-Veitch-Tormentor-of-the-bookies.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/5453735/Sir-Clement-Freud-Resist-ownership-unless-you-are-very-rich-or-slightly-insane.html

[david3103]

I'll try and edit those links so they work...wish me luck!

TYVM - hope they were worth it!

[ScottMGee]

Exponential (Nottingham, August 2004) Owned by Veitch, he suggested the horse make his debut wearing blinkers - usually a sign of a skittish newcomer - and it finished last, throwing the bookies off the scent. By the time of his next race, Veitch knew what they didn't: the horse had trained up brilliantly on the gallops.
Won: £235,133.71

This is one of the reasons I avoid betting the horses.

One of my friends has often told me that in his younger days he knew a trainer and he would be told when to bet and more importantly when not to bet, "not this week son, we are running over the wrong distant' then when the odds had lengthened he was told it was ok to bet it.

Niavely, If I see a horse in the paper at 10-1 I expect it to have a 10-1 chance of winning (less the bookies edge as it were).

[steeveg]

IMO. looking for horses to eliminate because of wrong distance, going.horse able to run the type of race it needs to win,recent run, is all part of racing form really, its the horses which have very good recent form and have all these conditions in there favour but drift big in betting then run a stinker which does my head in., no inside info then only thing is to make a note of trainers whos horses drift and run bad races.

[bigusdikus]

i can assure every one of you,racing is bent.i subscribed to a tipster called isirus a few years ago,and some of the info he gave out was outrageous.E.G.
8 mins before a race we would stand in a bookies,it was usually a small field,you just never knew which horse.he would spell out the reason why the odds on fav was about to get trashed.9/10 he was right. i guess 2003/4/5 were his best years,then he was sent to prison for whipping his chamber maid.it all went down hill from then on. i think he used to pay off people in the know,trainers,jockeys,head lads etc. not just peanuts,large amounts of cash,to keep them in his pocket.but the sex scandle was his undoing. kevin ? was his name.these days i stick to grade 1 races,much more difficult to tamper with.i won i excess of 50k in those fruitful years,putting up to £750 on at a time, in some cases,thats when we could get on.the bookies were on to him,they limited what you could bet.the thing is before i found isirus,i enjoyed saturday afternoons,pitting my wits against the bookies,to a max stake of maybe£50, some days i would win,mostly not, these days are gone forever.knowing what i know, the £5 stake about and double and the £20 split bets are a thing of the past.they say ignorance is bliss,who are "they" anyway.in retospect,i'll take the £50k,and now i've found somthing new to do on saturdays

[boldie]

oh boy @ the "racing is bent" thing. Dodgy characters in racing?..Absolutely..but as a sport it's not ridic corrupt..quite a few people are just shit trainers/ jockeys (or at least jockeys that just don't know how to ride a certain course and trainers that just don't seem to know what distance their horse is best over)..stay away from them and you'll be allright.

Plenty money to be made in racing.

[boldie]

p.s. Getting "enemy Nr 1" next week...supposed to be a cracking read, that

[bigusdikus]

saw the books author on a couple of weeks ago,he tipped one, it finished second.hmmmmmm.it may be a good read

[steeveg]

wherever there is money there is corruption .of course some horses are not even trying ,that has always been a part of racing,security and cameras make sure its a lot better than it used to be, a few trainers realise information is leaking from the stables  so they feed false information to stop leaks and spoiling a genuine coup, few bad tips puts people off backng a horse when they hear its a good thing.

[bigusdikus]

best tip i had, i was stood on the rail in the posh end at carlisle,overhearing a conversation(eavesdropping). this guy was adamant his horse was going in.he said how he had explained to stephen just how to ride it,i think they rumbled me and off they went.i asked who the guy in the hat was,one of my mates told me it was barney curley,i joked he gave me a tip....omg wtf is it,they were pretty intense. i told them i did not catch the name but ste's on it.we looked at the race card and he had one runner in the next,with stephen ? as the jock..needless to say it romped home 7-1 into 3's. the whole coach party was on it. i did not pay for another drink all day...barney the legend