Cash game at DTD

[MC]

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I don't like your raise on the flop Greeky, personally I flat and see what happens on the turn. I'm not looking to put too much more money in this pot with this hand.

I prefer you 4bet pre Neil, but I don't mind a flat. I'd perhaps like to see a check raise on the flop. The turn check call is fine I think, and I'd be looking to do the same on the river...

[gribbo]

greek what was ur thinkiing with this hand? esp the raise on flop? interested to hear ur thoughts.

[GreekStein]

greek what was ur thinkiing with this hand? esp the raise on flop? interested to hear ur thoughts.

I think it's fairly standard really but I'm off out now. Will post my thinking when I get back.

[Blatch]

Pre flop im never raising.  Im too deep and Cos is (now) good enough to take the pot off me too easily if I miss.  I also dont want to create a huge pot OOP either.

The flat is pretty standard in my eyes pre.

On the flop I think Cos was raising V's range knowin top pair is generally huge, and top top is normally the nuts against him.  Cos also knows my calling range is incredibly wider against V and therefore my call on the flop looks weak.  Once the King come son the turn im pretty certain im winning, from a combination of the bet, his reaction and body language I was considering check raising but again OOP and for pot control im happy to check call and probably check call any better on the river, assuming a non heart comes.

[kinboshi]

With the size of your stacks, the vulnerability of your hand (you're unlikely to win a big pot with it, but you couls certainly lose one), and the fact you're OOP - isn't this hand all about pot control?

I rarely play anything close to this deep, but that's my take on this hand.

Another thing, don't you both want to be going after the other players at the table rather than trying to out-do each other? Easier targets means easier to win their money?

[MC]

I'd perhaps like to see a check raise on the flop.

Just realised this is stupid as there are 2 bets so a flat is right obviously, but you should have been going for a check raise I think if just facing one bet...

[paulhouk03]

does vargas always spew so much?

[RichEO]

I make it £100 to go pre flop. Ideally that gets it heads up. If so I'm check raising the flop and poss shoving the turn. If it's still multi way I will be a bit more cautious about getting £2k in.

[Blatch]

I make it £100 to go pre flop. Ideally that gets it heads up. If so I'm check raising the flop and poss shoving the turn. If it's still multi way I will be a bit more cautious about getting £2k in.

I still dont see any value in raising pre here OOP being so deep.

Cos want pass, Vargas certainly wont and the limper under the gun will only give me bad action.

[GreekStein]

I make it £100 to go pre flop. Ideally that gets it heads up. If so I'm check raising the flop and poss shoving the turn. If it's still multi way I will be a bit more cautious about getting £2k in.

I still dont see any value in raising pre here OOP being so deep.

Cos want pass, Vargas certainly wont and the limper under the gun will only give me bad action.

why won't I pass?

[RichEO]

£300 in the pot with AK or £75 in the pot with AK. I see some value here!

You say they aren't going to pass so lets not raise, hold on... we are in a lunatic game with a big hand, do we want them to pass? If I have AK in a mad game, I want everyone to be putting £100 in and not letting them see a cheap/free flop.

[Blatch]

Its got nothign to do with that, Cos is a very competent player and can easily out play me when im OOP.

I dont want to be playing a huge with AK against him, especially when there are easy chips at the table.

[EvilPie]

Its got nothign to do with that, Cos is a very competent player and can easily out play me when im OOP.

I dont want to be playing a huge with AK against him, especially when there are easy chips at the table.

Don't reload to 2k then.

500 bbs is more than enough if you don't want to playing huge pots.

[George2Loose]

Its got nothign to do with that, Cos is a very competent player and can easily out play me when im OOP.

I dont want to be playing a huge with AK against him, especially when there are easy chips at the table.

Don't reload to 2k then.

500 bbs is more than enough if you don't want to playing huge pots.

Interesting point

[Blatch]

Its got nothign to do with that, Cos is a very competent player and can easily out play me when im OOP.

I dont want to be playing a huge with AK against him, especially when there are easy chips at the table.

Don't reload to 2k then.

500 bbs is more than enough if you don't want to playing huge pots.

Got no probs playing big pots, with or without Cos, just not with AK from the SB