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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 12:44:22 PM »

I am going to start playing full ring and just die of boredom

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2009, 02:43:04 PM »

Cambo you complete jam doughnut!

Replace the QQ with KK

Whats your play now?

KK is so different to QQ, the two hands are in different worlds.
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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2009, 03:52:58 PM »

Cambo you complete jam doughnut!

Replace the QQ with KK

Whats your play now?

KK is so different to QQ, the two hands are in different worlds.


I was discussing this with Stu last night.

If we pass QQ because oppo only ever 4 bets with KK or AA it's not really that different.

Oppo has 4 bet so he must have KK or AA. Because we've got 2 of the kings we have to put oppo on AA.

Therefore we should be passing KK.

I'm not saying that passing here is right obviously I was just saying that if Cambo wants to get it all in with KK given his thinking it's not really that different to QQ.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2009, 03:56:07 PM »

Cambo you complete jam doughnut!

Replace the QQ with KK

Whats your play now?

KK is so different to QQ, the two hands are in different worlds.


I was discussing this with Stu last night.

If we pass QQ because oppo only ever 4 bets with KK or AA it's not really that different.

Oppo has 4 bet so he must have KK or AA. Because we've got 2 of the kings we have to put oppo on AA.

Therefore we should be passing KK.

I'm not saying that passing here is right obviously I was just saying that if Cambo wants to get it all in with KK given his thinking it's not really that different to QQ.


As a matter of interest, how much full ring nl do you play on stars?

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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2009, 03:59:14 PM »

Cambo you complete jam doughnut!

Replace the QQ with KK

Whats your play now?

KK is so different to QQ, the two hands are in different worlds.


I was discussing this with Stu last night.

If we pass QQ because oppo only ever 4 bets with KK or AA it's not really that different.

Oppo has 4 bet so he must have KK or AA. Because we've got 2 of the kings we have to put oppo on AA.

Therefore we should be passing KK.

I'm not saying that passing here is right obviously I was just saying that if Cambo wants to get it all in with KK given his thinking it's not really that different to QQ.


As a matter of interest, how much full ring nl do you play on stars?



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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »

Cambo you complete jam doughnut!

Replace the QQ with KK

Whats your play now?

KK is so different to QQ, the two hands are in different worlds.


I was discussing this with Stu last night.

If we pass QQ because oppo only ever 4 bets with KK or AA it's not really that different.

Oppo has 4 bet so he must have KK or AA. Because we've got 2 of the kings we have to put oppo on AA.

Therefore we should be passing KK.

I'm not saying that passing here is right obviously I was just saying that if Cambo wants to get it all in with KK given his thinking it's not really that different to QQ.


As a matter of interest, how much full ring nl do you play on stars?



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Which is quite smart as you'd top yourself from the nittyness on stars...it really is nuts. (obv KK is different from QQ BTW.....but I'm guessing you know this Smiley )
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2009, 04:11:30 PM »

Cambo you complete jam doughnut!

Replace the QQ with KK

Whats your play now?

KK is so different to QQ, the two hands are in different worlds.


I was discussing this with Stu last night.

If we pass QQ because oppo only ever 4 bets with KK or AA it's not really that different.

Oppo has 4 bet so he must have KK or AA. Because we've got 2 of the kings we have to put oppo on AA.

Therefore we should be passing KK.

I'm not saying that passing here is right obviously I was just saying that if Cambo wants to get it all in with KK given his thinking it's not really that different to QQ.


As a matter of interest, how much full ring nl do you play on stars?



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Which is quite smart as you'd top yourself from the nittyness on stars...it really is nuts. (obv KK is different from QQ BTW.....but I'm guessing you know this Smiley )

If we only ever put oppo on KK or AA then it really isn't that different. Ok so we might have a chance of a split pot now but we're still probably losing.

With QQ there are 4 hands oppo could have that are all beating us.

With KK there are 2 hands that are beating us and 1 hand that we split against. It is more likely given that we've got KK that oppo has AA so we are probably losing.

If we add AK and QQ to his range and all the others that he could 4 bet with then yes it's a huge difference.

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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2009, 04:40:05 PM »

You lot are nuts!

Im gonna play some .50/1 on stars for an hour when i get home.

If its half as nitty as you say it is ill eat my big clown shoes.
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2009, 04:57:28 PM »

You lot are nuts!

Im gonna play some .50/1 on stars for an hour when i get home.

If its half as nitty as you say it is ill eat my big clown shoes.

For your experiment stick to the games with 5% or less seeing the flop, there should be a few to choose from (6 atm).
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2009, 05:07:38 PM »

You lot are nuts!

Im gonna play some .50/1 on stars for an hour when i get home.

If its half as nitty as you say it is ill eat my big clown shoes.

Enjoy.

 
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2009, 07:21:00 PM »

You lot are nuts!

Im gonna play some .50/1 on stars for an hour when i get home.

If its half as nitty as you say it is ill eat my big clown shoes.

Enjoy.

 

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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2009, 07:23:35 PM »

Putting opponent on AA or KK anything close to 100% of the time is a tough sell when you have KK.

It's much easier to be 99%+ confident that opponent has AA or KK when you hold QQ.
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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2009, 07:37:02 PM »

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Spoke to soon
Fkin nitty bastards!
You lot owe me a buy in!

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PokerStars Game #29252698336: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/06/11 19:29:08 WET [2009/06/11 14:29:08 ET]
Table 'Maritima III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sahas81 ($178.15 in chips)
Seat 2: shrek_132 ($66.50 in chips)
Seat 3: msv83 ($20 in chips)
Seat 5: StuartHopkin ($99.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Spooowi ($111.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Pechkin85 ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 9: valhalla30 ($20 in chips)
DapperTan has returned
shrek_132: posts small blind $0.50
msv83: posts big blind
$1XY8000: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to StuartHopkin [ ]
sahas81 said, "so you thought you could **** with me yeah?"
StuartHopkin: raises $2 to $3
Spooowi: folds
 sahas81 said, "youre wrong fish"
Pechkin85: folds
valhalla30: folds
sahas81: raises $6 to $9
shrek_132: folds
msv83: folds
StuartHopkin: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [ ]
StuartHopkin: checks
sahas81: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
StuartHopkin: checks
sahas81: bets $16
StuartHopkin: calls $16
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
StuartHopkin: bets $28
sahas81: raises $125.15 to $153.15 and is all-in
StuartHopkin: calls $46.45 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($78.70) returned to sahas81
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sahas81: shows [ ] (a full house, Kings full of Sixes)
StuartHopkin: mucks hand
sahas81 collected $197.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $200.40 | Rake $3 Board [ ]
Seat 1: sahas81 (button) showed [ ] and won ($197.40) with a full house, Kings full of Sixes
Seat 2: shrek_132 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: msv83 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: StuartHopkin mucked [ ]
Seat 6: Spooowi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Pechkin85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: valhalla30 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2009, 07:49:46 PM »

haha hand hist confirmed as not fake

There are plenty of nl 100 players with an utg raising range of qq+ ak - their 4 betting range is less than this.  You will rarely come across anyone who 4 bets with JJ and thats what you really need here.
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2009, 07:50:34 PM »

I left a .5/1 table open for a bit, have just looked now, they have played 4 orbits and not seen a single flop.
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