top two in the sb

[celtic]

20 left in the £350 comp at equal chance at the weekend.

Blinds 1k 2k 200 ra.
 
Utg, 70k limps, no reads or knowledge of this player as we have recently started day 2, cut off limps. V good player, 160k don't know if helps naming him so won't reveal yet limps, I make up in the sb with  qs 10c got 85k. Bb checks. Tight but decentish. 70k.

Flop is qd 10s .

Being first to act, what is the best thing to do here?

[GreekStein]

I lead for just under pot here

[TightEnd]

lead 3/4 of pot

hope you get raised, ship it in and probably lose to a set of sevens

[GreekStein]

lead 3/4 of pot

hope you get raised, ship it in and try and hold vs KJ

FYP

[MC]

I like a lead, but it looks strong and the problem with having top 2 is it reduces the chances your opponents have hit...

Nothing wrong with a little check raise here as an alternative option...

[GreekStein]

I like a lead, but it looks strong and the problem with having top 2 is it reduces the chances your opponents have hit...

Nothing wrong with a little check raise here as an alternative option...

Check raise looks weaker than a lead?

[MC]

I like a lead, but it looks strong and the problem with having top 2 is it reduces the chances your opponents have hit...

Nothing wrong with a little check raise here as an alternative option...

Check raise looks weaker than a lead?

No, but with a lead there's a pretty good chance both players will just pass. A check raise (or possibly check call even) is likely to induce at least a c-bet, and if it checks round we have a rainbow board and I guess we're only hoping a broadway card doesn't hit so we can deal with that scenario...

[boldie]

Would need to know a bit more about the good player in the cutoff. Does he usually raise from this position? His limp is a bit of a nothing action and I'd expect most players to raise from the cut off with a half decent hand. (or even garbage as they have position)

I would be tempted to bet out here but there's nothing wrong with either check/raise or check call depending on your oppos (IOW, will they come over the top or are they likely to fold).

Actually a check might be better as you have UTG and cutoff to act behind you. If UTG bets out and cut off calls you'll have some more chippies in the pot and a check raise might be the better option then.

[celtic]

Would need to know a bit more about the good player in the cutoff. Does he usually raise from this position? His limp is a bit of a nothing action and I'd expect most players to raise from the cut off with a half decent hand. (or even garbage as they have position)

I would be tempted to bet out here but there's nothing wrong with either check/raise or check call depending on your oppos (IOW, will they come over the top or are they likely to fold).

Actually a check might be better as you have UTG and cutoff to act behind you. If UTG bets out and cut off calls you'll have some more chippies in the pot and a check raise might be the better option then.

He has been opening from almost every position, and has been 3 betting pre a lot of the time, we are about 20 mins into day 2, so this info is from day 2 and also the last hour or so of day 1.

[celtic]

ok, i have had mixed views on this thread and elsewhere on the flop play, so, here is what happened next.

i check, as does the BB, the utg limper bets 2k (lol) cut off makes it 10k.. I ?

[outragous76]

(THIS POST WAS BEFORE THE REVEAL ABOVE)

I think you need to make it look weak ish here - but also be aware of the succeptability of the 2pr!

So I think I lead 75% of pot - hoping for a raise from villain - i which point i smooth call. If he is aggro - check the turn - awaiting his bet and then jam - or make a big enough raise to commit yourself (obv assuming  a none scary turn)

The problem with the 2pr is you could be forced to play it very passively on later streets OOP if you get horror cards. If he is aggro - im going with it as soon as is realistically possible.

[George2Loose]

ok, i have had mixed views on this thread and elsewhere on the flop play, so, here is what happened next.

i check, as does the BB, the utg limper bets 2k (lol) cut off makes it 10k.. I ?

Raise/call a shove

Flat/re evaluate turn

prefer option 1 due to be oop

[TightEnd]

raise/ then call any

Too many turn cards that get you wobbly, having to play it oop if you decide to flat/play the turn

[MC]

The problem after this action behind you is that anything you do will be interpreted as super strong

Think you have to pop it up to like 25k and just hope that doesn't kill the action (unless they have you beat obv, but that is elementary with this board...)

[outragous76]

ok, i have had mixed views on this thread and elsewhere on the flop play, so, here is what happened next.

i check, as does the BB, the utg limper bets 2k (lol) cut off makes it 10k.. I ?

Raise and commit yourself here

there is circa 22k in the pot, so i would rasie to 30-35k and make it clear that you are going nowhere.

If they flat (which is terribad) - i open shove any turn card (with 4 outs FTW kinda worse case). Hopefully they donk reshove with AA/KK/AQ and you fade the outs.