best line to get it in?

[dousche]

a little bit of history to speak of, iv been raising him pretty light, but no crazy hands yet.

Texas Hold'em NL $1/$2
Seat 1: LePoissonNeuf ($341.30 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: MillxBZH ($206.00 in chips)
Seat 6: IntheCLubchg ($311.24 in chips)
Seat 8: zerodog ($356.57 in chips)
Seat 10: dousche ($507.10 in chips)
MillxBZH: Post SB $1.00
IntheCLubchg: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dousche [   ]
zerodog: Raise $7.00
dousche: Call $7.00
LePoissonNeuf: Fold
MillxBZH: Fold
IntheCLubchg: Fold
*** FLOP *** [     ]
zerodog: Bet $12.00
dousche: Raise $36.00
zerodog: Raise $62.50


if i call the bet the pot stands at 140 odd with effective stacks of about 290 left. do you raise or flat here? if you raise, how much?

[daviebhoy]

if i call the bet the pot stands at 140 odd with effective stacks of about 290 left. do you raise or flat here? if you raise, how much?

Raise. He has an ace and thinks you have a draw. If the club comes off you might not get paid. Make it $90 for a laugh.

[boldie]

Flat...it's a split pot might as well save yourself paying the extra rake

Either way is going to be tricky to get more money of him..4 betting screams that you have him by the balls...timebank and flat and he might bet into you on the turn.

[AlexMartin]

call and jam over him on a non-Q/J turn. stacks are perfect for 1 more street. 4betting this flop this deep is just bad imo, given that there should be a tonne of bluffs in his range given your line plus mild history........

 

[outragous76]

I would usually suggest that the 4 bet here is a nice deceptive play - but never in this instance! With the 4 bet overjam you can represent the flush draw - however the is on board and in your hand.

Therefore i dont see much point in that play for 2 reasons - if he is flushing you have the redraw to both the nut flush and nut full house - you could assume he has a worse A here and go for max value (fading the underfull)

I would just flat here - and i wouldnt be folding your hand under any circumstances - but probbaly trying to get it all in on the turn!

[daviebhoy]

I think if he is bluffing he isn't putting any more in if we flat call or if we raise.

If he has an ace as we suspect then he may well jam if we raise but give up if a club comes on the turn.

If he has a 9 or TT+ then he is never getting it all in. We can probably get a value bet on the end if no clubs come.

If he has 99 we are going broke. I would rather get it in now against the hands that are likely to get it in here than let a club kill the action.

[George2Loose]

Is he good? Will he fold a shit ace if you 4 bet? I prefer flatting

[daviebhoy]

I think if he has 99 here he doesn't raise as he is praying for a club to come on the turn. A9 is pretty unlikely as he raises UTG.

I think QQ or KK might find it hard to fold on the flop aswell. I can't see any reason to flat. Raise and let him hang himself.

[George2Loose]

so u 4 bet and he's not gonna put u on the ace?

[dousche]

ok, so im leaning heavily towards flatting now. whats the plan for the turn though?

[boldie]

ok, so im leaning heavily towards flatting now. whats the plan for the turn though?

You're in position so it depends on what he does.

[AlexMartin]

I think if he is bluffing he isn't putting any more in if we flat call or if we raise.

If he has an ace as we suspect then he may well jam if we raise but give up if a club comes on the turn.

If he has a 9 or TT+ then he is never getting it all in. We can probably get a value bet on the end if no clubs come.

If he has 99 we are going broke. I would rather get it in now against the hands that are likely to get it in here than let a club kill the action.

wrong, if we flat he can ask flight control for permission to takeoff. In villains shoes i triple barrel this deep a tonne coz your opponent so rarely has a legitimate hand to be value raising the flop with and so rarely has AK/AQ.

[dousche]

I think if he is bluffing he isn't putting any more in if we flat call or if we raise.

If he has an ace as we suspect then he may well jam if we raise but give up if a club comes on the turn.

If he has a 9 or TT+ then he is never getting it all in. We can probably get a value bet on the end if no clubs come.

If he has 99 we are going broke. I would rather get it in now against the hands that are likely to get it in here than let a club kill the action.

wrong, if we flat he can ask flight control for permission to takeoff. In villains shoes i triple barrel this deep a tonne coz your opponent so rarely has a legitimate hand to be value raising the flop with and so rarely has AK/AQ.

if he checks turn do you bet about 70 odd to give him room to jam or check behind?

if he leads turn do you ship or flat?

[boldie]

I like betting the turn if you've been betting/raising light a lot (assuming he knows this)..gives him room to try the old checkshove.

[dousche]

yeah, i guess its always gonna be tough to get a stack this deep in when he doesnt have a legitimate hand.

anyways, i 4-bet like a donk and while he was thinking realised i really didnt like my play and so id bring it here. then he folded