QQ facing button raise...

[MC]

Okay so a $24+2 45 man final table, and bear in mind they are a pretty top-heavy payout structure.

Villain has a 45% steal percentage (admittedly over a small sample, but fair to assume his range here is huge), and standard 3x's the button.

What's the best way to extract the most chips here?

***** Hand History for Game 13139838786 ***** (Full Tilt)
$60000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 01, 02:00:35 ET 2009
Table 24  2 Sit  Go (97450674) Table 4 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: HakunaMatata74 ( $8750.00 USD )
Seat 3: Luzcache ( $16214.00 USD )
Seat 4: Boxed Canyon ( $11636.00 USD )
Seat 7: Fido7Dido ( $12640.00 USD )
Seat 8: PNBRAZIL ( $18260.00 USD )
Fido7Dido posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
PNBRAZIL posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fido7Dido [   ]
HakunaMatata74 folds
Luzcache folds
Boxed Canyon raises [$1800.00 USD]
Fido7Dido ....

[outragous76]

re raise to circa 4.6k - (make it look like you might have left a fold in there)

get em in on any non A flop

problem in the hand is you are OOP so dont want to get too tricky - im just commiting here

[George2Loose]

villian dependant

[MC]

villian dependant

Agree, but what if we don't know much about villain except his stats after 69 hands?

[outragous76]

villian dependant

Agree, but what if we don't know much about villain except his stats after 69 hands?

how gutted will u be if you play slow and lose?

if not play slow!

[dousche]

minraise then type 'oops, misclick' into the chat box

[George2Loose]

type ooops then min raise

[MC]

minraise then type 'oops, misclick' into the chat box

lmao, i like this!

I don't think it works so well if you type oops first George lol

Any arguments for flatting? I would usually do a 3bet in this spot which seems to be the general consensus, but is this a viable play or is QQ a little too vulnerable?

[George2Loose]

minraise then type 'oops, misclick' into the chat box

lmao, i like this!

I don't think it works so well if you type oops first George lol

Any arguments for flatting? I would usually do a 3bet in this spot which seems to be the general consensus, but is this a viable play or is QQ a little too vulnerable?

I don't mind flatting and leading or check/raising most flops

[dousche]

im not sure, i dont think 3-betting or flatting can be a big mistake. maybe i lean towards flatting, but only because on those finals people are so loathed to get it in. i donk like flatting then donk-leading though, as suggested by george. imo the reason we flat is to get the extra bet when he has junk and misses, if he hits i reckon he'll get them in almost just as much when you cr as when you donk lead

[AlexMartin]

you cannot play this wrong, its almost impossible. Id rather see a shove than a small 3b though, as you will get more midpairs snapping you off....................

[MC]

imo the reason we flat is to get the extra bet when he has junk and misses, if he hits i reckon he'll get them in almost just as much when you cr as when you donk lead

^^yeah man this was my thinking when I did this...


***** Hand History for Game 13139838786 ***** (Full Tilt)
$60000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 01, 02:00:35 ET 2009
Table 24  2 Sit  Go (97450674) Table 4 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: HakunaMatata74 ( $8750.00 USD )
Seat 3: Luzcache ( $16214.00 USD )
Seat 4: Boxed Canyon ( $11636.00 USD )
Seat 7: Fido7Dido ( $12640.00 USD )
Seat 8: PNBRAZIL ( $18260.00 USD )
Fido7Dido posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
PNBRAZIL posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fido7Dido [  ]
HakunaMatata74 folds
Luzcache folds
Boxed Canyon raises [$1800.00 USD]
Fido7Dido calls [$1500.00 USD]
PNBRAZIL folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Fido7Dido ........................


Not the flop I had in mind! now what?....

[daviebhoy]

No point betting here. When you are called you are either not that far ahead or way behind. Check call. Play it passively and fold to diamond or Ace on turn/river if he is betting them.

edit - just seen his range is huge. Not sure about folding to the ace or diamond unless there is a lot of action.

[AlexMartin]

imo the reason we flat is to get the extra bet when he has junk and misses, if he hits i reckon he'll get them in almost just as much when you cr as when you donk lead

^^yeah man this was my thinking when I did this...


***** Hand History for Game 13139838786 ***** (Full Tilt)
$60000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 01, 02:00:35 ET 2009
Table 24  2 Sit  Go (97450674) Table 4 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: HakunaMatata74 ( $8750.00 USD )
Seat 3: Luzcache ( $16214.00 USD )
Seat 4: Boxed Canyon ( $11636.00 USD )
Seat 7: Fido7Dido ( $12640.00 USD )
Seat 8: PNBRAZIL ( $18260.00 USD )
Fido7Dido posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
PNBRAZIL posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fido7Dido [  ]
HakunaMatata74 folds
Luzcache folds
Boxed Canyon raises [$1800.00 USD]
Fido7Dido calls [$1500.00 USD]
PNBRAZIL folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Fido7Dido ........................


Not the flop I had in mind! now what?....

[ ] plan changed

100% crai.

[MC]

I checked, wasn't sure what I was gonna do if he bet tbh, but...

***** Hand History for Game 13139838786 ***** (Full Tilt)
$60000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 01, 02:00:35 ET 2009
Table 24  2 Sit  Go (97450674) Table 4 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: HakunaMatata74 ( $8750.00 USD )
Seat 3: Luzcache ( $16214.00 USD )
Seat 4: Boxed Canyon ( $11636.00 USD )
Seat 7: Fido7Dido ( $12640.00 USD )
Seat 8: PNBRAZIL ( $18260.00 USD )
Fido7Dido posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
PNBRAZIL posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Fido7Dido [  ]
HakunaMatata74 folds
Luzcache folds
Boxed Canyon raises [$1800.00 USD]
Fido7Dido calls [$1500.00 USD]
PNBRAZIL folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
Fido7Dido checks
Boxed Canyon checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
Fido7Dido .....