what an idiot

[sovietsong]

when i was about 12 a kid two years above me beat up a teacher in a corridor for bumping into him, he punched him to the ground then kicked the teacher in the head before walking away he spat on him.  His punishment - suspension from school and a police caution...

and did the kid get in trouble?

he got booted out of school and got a slap on the wrist, dont get me wrong what the teacher did is fking unreal

[bolt pp]

nope the guy didnt get remanded to a mental health unit or anything,  just jail, i'm sure after four days of interviews and assessment's the authorities couldve determined if he was mentally ill or not and theres been no mention of it.

look, i dont mind bashing people over the head with metal, sometimes in life shit happends, but this guy, a 49 year old, in charge of children, entrusted with the responsibility of looking after and educating them got pissed off and couldnt control himself.

plenty people get pissed off and lose control, i'm not saying it doesnt happen but if a 32 year old bashes a 25 year old to death because he was pissing him off them thats up to them but when a 49 year old attacks and tries to kill a 14 year old child for whom he was responsible at the time then that makes him a tosser and a complete fucking coward in my book

[ItsMrAlex2u]

its easy to read the story and say "what a twat" but to flip and do this, the guy is clearly no longer mentally stable.

whether this is the case or not, everyone, no matter how mentally stable or usually placid, will have their tipping point I think.  In situations like this the key is ensuring that everyone can work together to ensure that teachers don't get pushed past that point.  We don't know all the details in this case, but I'd be surprised if other people connected with the school were unaware of the issues before this unfortunate incident came to pass.  

good posts. Maybe there will be litigation against the school in this instance for letting a known vulnerable be re-exposed to this situation. Imagine someone like a doctor or a ticket inspector were regularly exposed to this kind of thing, the courts would be full of compensation cases.
I was reminiscing with my ma recently about an old friend, who was a teacher at my primary school. Much admired by all, my mum pointed out. And she was, a talented woman, who rose fast within her profession. Ma was a bit shocked when I pointed out that she had a temper from hell and would be fantastically violent to kids in assembly. I remember some kid, about 10 was playing up, she just dragged him up to the front, by his hair, and shook the living daylights out of him. Got me thinking about all of my schooling lol, it was actually littered with violent incidents of this kind. I once stepped out of line in primary school, was asked to come to the front by the teacher, who removed a large kind of solid leather covered weapon from his jacket, and proceeded to smash it as hard as he could into the palms of my hands. I was 11 ffs, committed a minor offence, and yet routine acts of violence to kids like this were perfectly permissable, and quite commonplace. We seem to have turned a corner as a society and hopefully look back on this kind of thing with rightful horror. Maybe the teacher in question was brought up in such a culture, just reached for a weight instead of a ferula.
Not really making a point I guess, just amuses me how it was once permissable and now we would imprison these people. I often feel like suing the bastards, but I guess the law was on their side at the time.

Not that i would wish to condone teachers carrying leather weapons to smack kids around with, but in years past the teachers wouldnt have had to deal with the crap that the kids can get away with now.

its gone to far the other way now and the teachers dont have any power at all and the kids know it. IWe need to go back a bit and find some middle ground to allow the teachers to dish out some discipline. As a parent, if my son was out of order i would have no problem with him getting the cane across the backside to teach him a lesson.

[MANTIS01]

The teacher fails as a teacher because part of his remit is to educate young adults about appropriate life behaviour. So a good teacher should have the skills to diffuse a petty situation involving cheeky kids by using his wit, humour, logic, whatever...but certainly not his fists or gym equipment. Poor example to set imo. However, the teacher doesn't fail completely, he taught the lad that unexpected violence could be a realistic consequence of tormenting the wrong person. That's not a bad lesson to learn for today's nutter infested world.

[Sark79]

I feel sorry for the teacher.  I can't imagine him just losing it and attacking the Kid if he wasn't provoked, everyone can snap.  I am sure the Kid is a scumbag and as a result the poor guys life is ruined.  It really is sad for this guy. 

[pokerfan]

I feel sorry for the teacher.  I can't imagine him just losing it and attacking the Kid if he wasn't provoked, everyone can snap.  I am sure the Kid is a scumbag and as a result the poor guys life is ruined.  It really is sad for this guy. 

[bolt pp]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool sark you are a lunatic

wtf does it matter if he was provoked?

he is a teahcer, he has a duty of care and a resbonsibility to look after this child, he's been entrusted with the care of someones child and done this?

lets say he was provoked like you say sark and that this child is a scumbbag, im gonna concede that for the sake of this argument, is it fair that this 14 year old child in gravely ill in hospital now fighting for his life with a fractured scull and bleeding into his brain.

what did this kid do? this child to deserve that?

rape a child maybe................no

kill and mug and old lady?.............................MO

maybe he stabbed to death an inocent fellow pupil....................NO

Infact the reason this child is bleeding into his brain is retrebution for the wrost of crimes,yes,........................................PROVOKING A TEACHER!!!! what a peice of shit kid a? lets hope he dies a?

what fucking parallell universe are you lot living in when its ok to fracture a childs scull cos he winds you up?

[Sark79]

Like I said ,  he clearly snapped.  It can happen to anyone.  In this case, a tragic thing happened.  We don't know the full story,  if this man had mental problems, he should be given help and not treated like some evil killer.  Hopefully the Kid will recover and get back to full health.  I feel sorry for the teacher, it is a stressful occupation and often they are put in positions by certain pupils that may lead to them losing their cool.  In this case, his lack of emotional control led to something bad happening.  I feel sympathy for the teacher as well as the Kid.

[Sark79]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool sark you are a lunatic

wtf does it matter if he was provoked?

he is a teahcer, he has a duty of care and a resbonsibility to look after this child, he's been entrusted with the care of someones child and done this?

lets say he was provoked like you say sark and that this child is a scumbbag, im gonna concede that for the sake of this argument, is it fair that this 14 year old child in gravely ill in hospital now fighting for his life with a fractured scull and bleeding into his brain.

what did this kid do? this child to deserve that?

rape a child maybe................no

kill and mug and old lady?.............................MO

maybe he stabbed to death an inocent fellow pupil....................NO

Infact the reason this child is bleeding into his brain is retrebution for the wrost of crimes,yes,........................................PROVOKING A TEACHER!!!! what a peice of shit kid a? lets hope he dies a?

what fucking parallell universe are you lot living in when its ok to fracture a childs scull cos he winds you up?

Like everyone else, I wish this hadn't happened and also I want the kid to get better.  However, regardless of who you are ,  it is impossible not the lose your cool eventually if we are provoked.  I was wrong to say the kid was a scumbag, he may be a model pupil and has never been in trouble.  However for this example, lets just say the Kid was a trouble maker and was regularly in trouble.   He may have just pushed things too far and the teacher reacted at a time when he was emotionally vulnerable.  When most people snap, they may shout or curse at the person involved. In this case , things obviously took a more serious and tragic turn.  It is too quick to paint the teacher as some psycho who regularly does things like this.  He has a mental illness clearly and needs help rather than no sympathy. 

[bolt pp]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool sark you are a lunatic

wtf does it matter if he was provoked?

he is a teahcer, he has a duty of care and a resbonsibility to look after this child, he's been entrusted with the care of someones child and done this?

lets say he was provoked like you say sark and that this child is a scumbbag, im gonna concede that for the sake of this argument, is it fair that this 14 year old child in gravely ill in hospital now fighting for his life with a fractured scull and bleeding into his brain.

what did this kid do? this child to deserve that?

rape a child maybe................no

kill and mug and old lady?.............................MO

maybe he stabbed to death an inocent fellow pupil....................NO

Infact the reason this child is bleeding into his brain is retrebution for the wrost of crimes,yes,........................................PROVOKING A TEACHER!!!! what a peice of shit kid a? lets hope he dies a?

what fucking parallell universe are you lot living in when its ok to fracture a childs scull cos he winds you up?

Like everyone else, I wish this hadn't happened and also I want the kid to get better.  However, regardless of who you are ,  it is impossible not the lose your cool eventually if we are provoked.  I was wrong to say the kid was a scumbag, he may be a model pupil and has never been in trouble.  However for this example, lets just say the Kid was a trouble maker and was regularly in trouble.   He may have just pushed things too far and the teacher reacted at a time when he was emotionally vulnerable.  When most people snap, they may shout or curse at the person involved. In this case , things obviously took a more serious and tragic turn.  It is too quick to paint the teacher as some psycho who regularly does things like this.  He has a mental illness clearly and needs help rather than no sympathy. 

and it's my contention that he doesnt have a mental illness, he's been remanded in jail not sectioned and theres been no mention of it, everyone just keeps on assuming he is, i'm saying the facts from what has been done by the police and judicery suggest he isnt mentally ill, maybe he is just a prick that lost his temper?

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=42961.msg1004705#msg1004705

if he's not mentally ill then theres no difference between him and ***** that shake babies to death because they get so angry and cant take the incescent crying any more.

I'm not saying people cant snap sark, that they cant get pissed off, they can and it goes happen and when it happends between two adults then to me its much of a muchness but when you snap with a child you cross the line in my book and become a piece of shit.

[kukushkin88]

There's no suggestion of mental illness. From all available evidence he just completely lost his temper. Basicallly, what Bolt said.

[Sark79]

Ok,  I agree he shouldn't have lost his temper.  It is easy to say, but sometimes hard to do.  I never lose my cool, not even a angry thought, I usually count to ten and then change the subject, etc if I am feeling negative.

 I have a friend who is the nicest guy you could ever meet, recently he was involved in an incident that changed everyones view of him as a popular and likable guy.  I wont go into full details, but basically he hit his girlfriend in a moment of madness.  She made a comment about a child of his that had died in a disrespectfull way, this wasn't the first hurtfull comment she had made.  He was drunk and snapped. As a result, he was sacked and now has a criminal record meaning he cannot take up a job promotion in Australia he was due to take this summer. His previous good guy image is now gone.  A split second of uncontrolled thoughts have ruined his life.  He regrets it and wishes he could take it back. 

The very fact that some of the teachers previous pupils are showing their support shows this mans character. 

[kukushkin88]

If he had made a sustained attempt to kill her then it would be a viable comparison.

[Acidmouse]

lol at attacking the teacher in this thread like its the most important thing in the world. He lost the plot, like most of this thread.

[Acidmouse]

There's no suggestion of mental illness. From all available evidence he just completely lost his temper. Basicallly, what Bolt said.

When someone suffers years of verbal or physical abuse and turn on the persons/person responsible for it in fit of rage and lose it for a short time, that is legal defence in court..Hence why so many women who do their partners in get off with it.