Steve Gerrard

[bolt pp]

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
  
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence. GO ON THE REDS"!!!!!!!!!


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

FYP

[G1BTW]

LOL

[kinboshi]

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want Steve G's lawyer to argue my 'self-defence' case.

If I ever get caught on CCTV punching a guy who isn't fighting back I want to be able to demonstrate in court that I held the reasonable belief that he was about to take a swing at me and punched him before he punched me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/8167000.stm

Judge Henry Globe told him: "The verdict is a credible verdict on the full facts of this case, and you walk away from this court with your reputation intact.

"You did not start the violence, it was started by the violent elbowing of Marcus McGee in the face by one of your friends John Doran," he added.
 
"At all times you insisted that you only ever acted in what you believed was reasonable self-defence to what you understandably, albeit you accept mistakenly, believed was an attempted attack upon you by Marcus McGee.

"What at first sight to the casual observer may seem to have been a clear-cut case against you of unlawful violence, has been nowhere near as clear-cut upon careful analysis of the evidence."


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It doesn't look at all like that is the case in the video footage however, and I am left wondering how what appears to be an unjustified attack could ever have been pre-emptive self-defence.

Quite a few years back, Alfie Lewis a 'freestyle karate' instructor and fighter was involved in an incident where he struck someone first.  Unfortunately, the bloke he struck was knocked out and his head hit the floor and he died from his injuries.

Alfie Lewis was found not-guilty of all charges on the grounds of self-defence. 

I'll see if I can dig up the details, but I think it was something to do with a bloke kicking his car, him getting out and then three other blokes appearing, obviously with the intention to do him some harm, and so he smacked one of them in self-defence.

[boldie]

lol..soo clearly guilty. Also nice to know that he hasn't forgotten his roots..still hangs out with his dodgy mates.

"My mates beat him up, judge." "I just landed a few punches beause I thought he'd swing at me"

what a load of bollocks.

and @ the Alfie Lewis example..big difference between someone coming at you with his 3 dodgy mates who have already kicked your car and Stevie's case where his mates beat the guy and then he goes towards the guy.

If the guy had beaten Stevie G to death he would have had a case for self defence..not the other way around.

[kinboshi]

lol..soo clearly guilty. Also nice to know that he hasn't forgotten his roots..still hangs out with his dodgy mates.

"My mates beat him up, judge." "I just landed a few punches beause I thought he'd swing at me"

what a load of bollocks.

and @ the Alfie Lewis example..big difference between someone coming at you with his 3 dodgy mates who have already kicked your car and Stevie's case where his mates beat the guy and then he goes towards the guy.

If the guy had beaten Stevie G to death he would have had a case for self defence..not the other way around.

Wasn't comparing it.  Was just talking about a case where someone hit first in self-defence.  That was the only relevance. Years later Alfie Lewis walked away from court after the case had been thrown out.  Think he was in for drug dealing then, but I'm sure the witnesses weren't got at or anything like that...

[bolt pp]

someone doesnt have to hit you first for it to be self defense, it's good enough if you think theyre gonna hit you through what theyve said or how theyre acting.

[kinboshi]

someone doesnt have to hit you first for it to be self defense, it's good enough if you think theyre gonna hit you through what theyve said or how theyre acting.

Wanna fight?

[TightEnd]

just playing devils advocate, as obviously I'm not aware of all that the jury heard...but trying him in Liverpool must be the least likely place for the CPS to get a conviction in the country surely?

[G1BTW]

OH FFS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8167205.stm









Money. That is all.


Gerard lands 3 punches in a brawl on Winehouse as mate takes photo. That would be an interesting double case.

[bolt pp]

someone doesnt have to hit you first for it to be self defense, it's good enough if you think theyre gonna hit you through what theyve said or how theyre acting.

Wanna fight?

i wouldnt know what to do.

[kinboshi]

just playing devils advocate, as obviously I'm not aware of all that the jury heard...but trying him in Liverpool must be the least likely place for the CPS to get a conviction in the country surely?

Even if half the jury are bluenoses?

[kinboshi]

Anyway, he's our OJ.

[AndrewT]

I think Stevie G just got a bit lucky with the jury selection.

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[Rod Paradise]

Just hope the next guy he squares up to ove 'mither' defends himself first.

Bawbag coward as a player - dangerous tackles when the victim's not ready for it, it seems he's the same as a person. Talent is no excuse for being a prick.

[Linux]

wait till he scores the crucial goal in next years world cup. All of you will be hailing him as a god and this will all be forgot about