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« on: July 27, 2009, 03:18:53 PM »

£100 live freezeout

12 left

7 paid

blinds 800-1600/200.

average 38,000

Hero 30,000

BB Villain 25,000

All the big stacks on the other table

Hero finds  in the cut off. Makes it 4,200

BB is a b c tight, very few moves. Good to steal from.

Button, sb pass BB calls, which is rare resistance

pot size 10,400

flop 

check check. (Yes I know, should have c-bet )

turn 

check, bet 6,000, call

pot size 22,400

stacks hero just less than 20,000. villain just left than 15,000

river  Two Diamonds

BB fires quickly for 10,000

Your action is and why?


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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 03:27:57 PM »

Crying all.  Can't fold i dont think, so of the two options, neither of which is much different, altough being left with 10k is fairly signifcant to having 5k if we put them all in and lose.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 03:33:03 PM »

shove into his 34 like i always do
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 03:49:25 PM »

I know he's tight but once tight players are in a hand they can still bluff. Prob looked to him like you were trying to steal off him with the turn bet after u weakly checked the flop.

I would say he doesnt have the straight. If bet v quickly after the river i see this as weakness. trying to represent a big hand. I would just call anyway so u still have 10 behind.

10 behind vs 5 behind is the biggest thing u need to think about here as you just can lay down a monster like this as deep as this. 10 behind and u can still steal alot. many people will be eager to face u with just 5
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2009, 05:00:21 PM »

get it all in.

he should never have 43 here. might have 66 but sigh if he has.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »



he should never have 43 here. might have 66 but sigh if he has.

thats what i keep saying  "BASTARDS"
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 05:02:22 PM »

On the basis that it's a cooler if he was always ahead and still pretty cool if the 2 made his hand I can say I would re-raise here 100% of the time.

Also, since the 10K bet on the end looks super strong I'd almost certainly take it as weakness. Leaks, moi ?


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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 05:50:39 PM »

I do more jammin here than Bob Marley.

His hand will be a silly bluff a lot but when he does have some sort of hand he doesn't have enough behind to fold. I'm not expecting him to defend 34 and occasionally he can have 66..so be it. I wouldn't even put it past him trapping with a big pair and then thinking this is a value bet.

Basically A5 is hugely ahead of his range and (is so disguised) now I want to get the lot.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 06:03:07 PM »

I do more jammin here than Bob Marley.

His hand will be a silly bluff a lot but when he does have some sort of hand he doesn't have enough behind to fold. I'm not expecting him to defend 34 and occasionally he can have 66..so be it. I wouldn't even put it past him trapping with a big pair and then thinking this is a value bet.

Basically A5 is hugely ahead of his range and (is so disguised) now I want to get the lot.

absolutely agree

also change title pls you are a mile away from the bubble

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 09:52:40 PM »

Tighty,

I wasn't watching this hand at the time, but if I were you I think I'd flat it.
A push only gets called by 34 (can't see him (or her?) with that).
or 66 (deff chance holding).
or TT (even not beyond realms of possbility, tho I'd expect a re-shove pre).
any bluff folds to your push so no point raising it there.

.....as always in poker, it depends on the player.

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 10:00:43 PM »

ithink checking back the flop here is the correct play. Probs get it in on the river.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 10:41:01 PM »

I wasn't watching this hand at the time, but if I were you I think I'd flat it.
A push only gets called by 34 (can't see him (or her?) with that).
or 66 (deff chance holding).
or TT (even not beyond realms of possbility, tho I'd expect a re-shove pre).

You don't think a shove gets called by every other 5? Cos it does I promise you.

Def a shove for me. He basically has to have defended with 34 for you to be beat which is unlikely, or have 66, which a fair amount of the time he'd check raise the river with given the slow play up to his point. Agree w/ celtic & greeky...
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 01:33:44 AM »

If villain shows up with 3-4 or 5-x here I would be very surprised, based on your description.

TT is definitely a possibility, but if he's holding that then it's a sick turn for you. 66 less likely, but same outcome.

Rangewise, I'm thinking 88+, Any 2 paint, probably go as low as A10. The only hand you have to worry about is TT, so I shove.

Am I the only person thinking there's a chance villain shows up with something like 87s here?
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 01:34:03 AM »

Tighty,

I wasn't watching this hand at the time, but if I were you I think I'd flat it.
A push only gets called by 34 (can't see him (or her?) with that).
or 66 (deff chance holding).
or TT (even not beyond realms of possbility, tho I'd expect a re-shove pre).
any bluff folds to your push so no point raising it there.

.....as always in poker, it depends on the player.

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It's good if we get a bluff to fold when we push because then we don't have to reveal our hand. That extra 5k means we don't need to show the table we raise with A-5, that we didn't c-bet and got lucky, and that we only called 10k when we hit gin. If we get a bluff to fold we look like we played the hand real well. Much better image to carry forward in the game and well worth the 5k imo. Anyway, the way the hand played out we've got no reason to fear a monster so like MC said you can get them in and at least hope for a pot-odds crying call. If you're beat so what.
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2009, 01:36:23 AM »

If villain shows up with 3-4 or 5-x here I would be very surprised, based on your description.

TT is definitely a possibility, but if he's holding that then it's a sick turn for you. 66 less likely, but same outcome.

Rangewise, I'm thinking 88+, Any 2 paint, probably go as low as A10. The only hand you have to worry about is TT, so I shove.

Am I the only person thinking there's a chance villain shows up with something like 87s here?

I think 87 is very possible
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