The War on Drugs

[steeveg]

Not stuff like Heroin or Crack obv.

Why not?
You will never stop it.
Safer, less deaths etc..

how can you have such lethal substances legal?

I'm not just talking about the physical damage to the individual, i'm talking about substances that are so addictive once hooked you cant get out of bed and are so ill you cant function to the point where you no longer care how you get your next bit of stuff, you need it not for a buzz but just to feel normal, craving so bad and unparallelled you'll happily go out and rob any old dear or break into the first gaff you find, can never be condoned.

Paracetamol is legal? Pretty lethal in the right doses. Sorry if that sounds facetious but there are calls to decriminalise heroin and concentrate on treatment, it's possible to have a long-term heroin habit and remain pretty safe. A lot of the dangers for such people would not be knowing the strength of what you're getting, getting contaminated gear, and having to fund the habit by crime. The habit is only expensive because heroin is illegal, it's otherwise cheap, now that we control half of Afghanistan.

if people were getting it for £2 a go instead of £10 or whatever and it was legal people would be taking loads more, they wouldnt stick their daily amount if it was a fraction of the price and a whole load of new people would start taking it, and what about crack?

i agree. theres no one answer to the problem ,wishful thinking but no buyers ,end of problem,education and a society which cares how young people live would improve things ,mining villages in wales where lads left school and got a job never had any problems now its rife as lads have no job with nothing to do and drift into drugs,
we cant have an attitude of never arresting drug dealers just because it would start turf wars,laws have to be upheld ,what message does it send to generations to come, drug dealers sell death but we cant do nothing because it will start trouble,if you cause enough trouble you are above the law.
cant see society that will ever be willing to pay the cost to dramatically cut drugs down,stiffer penalties would cost and very harsh punishment would cause uproar, just hope one day technology will make it easy to stop it getting in.

[G1BTW]

Not stuff like Heroin or Crack obv.

Why not?
You will never stop it.
Safer, less deaths etc..

how can you have such lethal substances legal?

I'm not just talking about the physical damage to the individual, i'm talking about substances that are so addictive once hooked you cant get out of bed and are so ill you cant function to the point where you no longer care how you get your next bit of stuff, you need it not for a buzz but just to feel normal, craving so bad and unparallelled you'll happily go out and rob any old dear or break into the first gaff you find, can never be condoned.

Paracetamol is legal? Pretty lethal in the right doses. Sorry if that sounds facetious but there are calls to decriminalise heroin and concentrate on treatment, it's possible to have a long-term heroin habit and remain pretty safe. A lot of the dangers for such people would not be knowing the strength of what you're getting, getting contaminated gear, and having to fund the habit by crime. The habit is only expensive because heroin is illegal, it's otherwise cheap, now that we control half of Afghanistan.

if people were getting it for £2 a go instead of £10 or whatever and it was legal people would be taking loads more, they wouldnt stick their daily amount if it was a fraction of the price and a whole load of new people would start taking it, and what about crack?

i agree. theres no one answer to the problem ,wishful thinking but no buyers ,end of problem,education and a society which cares how young people live would improve things ,mining villages in wales where lads left school and got a job never had any problems now its rife as lads have no job with nothing to do and drift into drugs,
we cant have an attitude of never arresting drug dealers just because it would start turf wars,laws have to be upheld ,what message does it send to generations to come, drug dealers sell death but we cant do nothing because it will start trouble,if you cause enough trouble you are above the law.
cant see society that will ever be willing to pay the cost to dramatically cut drugs down,stiffer penalties would cost and very harsh punishment would cause uproar, just hope one day technology will make it easy to stop it getting in.

Some good points there, well put.

You could always kill them, la

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/world/intensive-war-on-drugs-by-malaysia-and-singapore-shows-mixed-results.html

[G1BTW]

 just hope one day technology will make it easy to stop it getting in.

Maybe by then technology will have developed drugs for regular consumption that give opiate-like highs but which are perfectly safe to use. Some authors reckon it's the way forward, I think the following are among them.

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~lwh/drugs/

/\ Was kind of a really well-respected Bible of psychopharmacology

[steeveg]

 just hope one day technology will make it easy to stop it getting in.

Maybe by then technology will have developed drugs for regular consumption that give opiate-like highs but which are perfectly safe to use. Some authors reckon it's the way forward, I think the following are among them.

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~lwh/drugs/

/\ Was kind of a really well-respected Bible of psychopharmacology

be incredible if they could find a potent Heroin substitute without all the side effects ,i think the body makes you pay eventually for anything you take which has a powerful effect  but the problem is to big to just dismiss this as long shot ,a new approach does have to be found no matter how many years it takes to develop.there was a TV program months back showing how they have found a way to synthetically produce parts of marijuana plant without all the effects of marijuana ,this would ease pain for the people who smoke marajuana to ease pain, taken as a nasal spray,it dosent give anyone a buzz,maybe that's something that could be researched as well.
Killing Drug dealers, we are far to civilised for that,well so everyone keeps telling me

[Swordpoker]

Some good points there, well put.

You could always kill them, la

http://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/15/world/intensive-war-on-drugs-by-malaysia-and-singapore-shows-mixed-results.html

The view in Malaysia is as harsh, if less polite. ''We hang anyone convicted who exhausts their appeals,'' said Tey Boon Hwa, assistant director of the Anti-Narcotics Task Force. ''We also hang old ladies, even if we don't normally publicize it. If you get caught, you face the music.''

At least they have properly got the idea of deterrents. We could learn a thing or two.

[steeveg]

At least they have properly got the idea of deterrents. We could learn a thing or two.

when you think of the damage Heroin has caused in this country ,so many young lives lost,many lives ruined by addiction. familes destroyed,violance and crime to fund addiction.gang warfare with kids carrying guns,,IMO its niaeve to belive we dont have to introduce drastic measures .