What should I do on the turn?

[George2Loose]

OK I'm running abs shocking at the mo and it's really denting my confidence. Pre and flop is standard I think (even starting to question simple things)

What should I do on turn?

Full Tilt Poker Game #14028354629: FTOPS Event #20 (96538033), Table 219 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:51:31 ET - 2009/08/14
Seat 1: ExclusiveM (4,950)
Seat 2: iversen46 (4,975)
Seat 3: George2Loose (5,440)
Seat 4: soggy dogg (3,080)
Seat 5: Reds20 (5,770)
Seat 6: BubbleMonster (4,925)
iversen46 posts the small blind of 30
George2Loose posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
soggy dogg raises to 170
Reds20 folds
BubbleMonster folds
ExclusiveM folds
iversen46 calls 140
George2Loose calls 110
*** FLOP *** [ ]
iversen46 checks
George2Loose checks
soggy dogg bets 320
iversen46 folds
George2Loose calls 320
*** TURN *** [ ] []
George2Loose ?

[MANTIS01]

If you check villain will bet or jam...but the texture of the flushing board, blank turn, and the SPR mean he does that with most of his range imo. You've chosen to play this hand, you've hit a good flop, and things have got better on the turn. To think about not seeing this through would make for a pretty pointless 7-9 red exercise imo. I would be happy to c-jam/c-call allowing villain to spew worse. I don't think playing this pot for random villain's remaining 2.5k can ever be a mistake.

[GreekStein]

If you check villain will bet or jam...but the texture of the flushing board, blank turn, and the SPR mean he does that with most of his range imo. You've chosen to play this hand, you've hit a good flop, and things have got better on the turn. To think about not seeing this through would make for a pretty pointless 7-9 red exercise imo. I would be happy to c-jam/c-call allowing villain to spew worse. I don't think playing this pot for random villain's remaining 2.5k can ever be a mistake.

Villain isn't jamming 4.5k into 1kish.

I think check calling is ok.

[George2Loose]

If you check villain will bet or jam...but the texture of the flushing board, blank turn, and the SPR mean he does that with most of his range imo. You've chosen to play this hand, you've hit a good flop, and things have got better on the turn. To think about not seeing this through would make for a pretty pointless 7-9 red exercise imo. I would be happy to c-jam/c-call allowing villain to spew worse. I don't think playing this pot for random villain's remaining 2.5k can ever be a mistake.

Villain isn't jamming 4.5k into 1kish.

I think check calling is ok.

he only has 3k at start of the hand

[MC]

You don't want to get raised off the hand if you lead so I think check-calling/check-raise shoving are both fine

[George2Loose]

OK I checked and villiabet 840

So either calling or shoving are fine?

[MANTIS01]

I would try and get my chips in on this turn having c-called the flop. If you don't do that what would be the purpose of c-calling the flop? Calling 320 hoping for a heart and then hoping to get paid if it comes uses your chips in a way that doesn't hold much expectation for winning the pot. You can reasonably expect villain to press a brick on the turn, and you can reasonably expect that before deciding whether to call his flop bet. So if you're calling the 320 in order to commit on a turn like this then that gives the flop play more credibility imo.

[outragous76]

why are we not ck raising the flop?

if we are prepared to get it in on the turn (ok we got xtra outs) - then why not test the flop to take the pot down there - but get it in if he jams?

as for the turn - surley just call? He is never passing so you might as well try and get there without spending extra first. I think we know a pair of 7's isnt winning

(btw - i know you got a nice price - but when im running like a dog i fold pre)

[AlexMartin]

we aint checkraising because we will endup playing a huge pot oop v a guy that is probably at the top of his cbetting range when he bets this flop 3 way with 3k opening in EP. If we get the money in now we will almost certainly be a 2:1 dog v his allin range and can sometimes be crushed (with overheart combos).

Preflop looks closer than i thought because we are deep and our hand has a lot of negative implied oop plus this specific hand is so positionally dependant (we cant float/bluffraise so much on streets) . Think call is fine though on balance, flop check call is fine and the turn is v tricky. Im not sure, i think every single option has merit.

[MANTIS01]

we aint checkraising because we will endup playing a huge pot oop v a guy that is probably at the top of his cbetting range when he bets this flop 3 way with 3k opening in EP. If we get the money in now we will almost certainly be a 2:1 dog v his allin range and can sometimes be crushed (with overheart combos).

Preflop looks closer than i thought because we are deep and our hand has a lot of negative implied oop plus this specific hand is so positionally dependant (we cant float/bluffraise so much on streets) . Think call is fine though on balance, flop check call is fine and the turn is v tricky. Im not sure, i think every single option has merit.

I'm not sure villain needs to be at the top of his c-betting range to be pressing the action into sb & bb on a 10-2-5 flop. His 3k stack almost compels him to try and take this pot down all things considered. His turn bet is a worry though and could very well signify an overpair. But meh, the other factors like the fact the 7 looks like a brick and we look like the f/d we do actually have means representation is still very possible. I agree that all options are close on the turn but with 2k in the middle and villain with less I don't know why we wouldn't default favour the aggressive option. If he has an overheart draw we have the best hand and can get them in on the turn, and if he has the worse case over-pair we have like 14 outs. This is by no means a perfect situation but then again we aren't going to get many perfect situations playing 7-9. Without further information I think it's close enough not to worry about getting them in here.