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« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2009, 07:20:54 PM »

I was going to post similar.

Flushy, to complete teh helpful advice, how about a demo of why your strat>>4bet fold?  Rather than "it just is" what happens if the flop comes AT4 or T72?  Yes we get to suck up some poker through the streets, but I am guessing many players that haven't had the experience would lose less chips by 4-bet folding than they would by flatting pre and doing more chips in through the streets.

Lets ask some Questions that Sam could have asked:

1) Is passing here pre to the 3bet an option or am I always to flat?  Or would you prefer me to 6bet his 5bet?
2) If it comes low, do I bet fold?
3) If it comes with an Ace or a King am I always check/folding?
4) What sort of flop textures can I check call?  What do I need to think about so that I don't murder more chips using your suggestion than I would 4bet folding?
5) If I hit a set how should I play it?
6) At what point do I work out if he has JJ or KK?
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« Reply #76 on: September 10, 2009, 07:37:55 PM »

I was going to post similar.

Flushy, to complete teh helpful advice, how about a demo of why your strat>>4bet fold?  Rather than "it just is" what happens if the flop comes AT4 or T72?  Yes we get to suck up some poker through the streets, but I am guessing many players that haven't had the experience would lose less chips by 4-bet folding than they would by flatting pre and doing more chips in through the streets.


This is an interesting point to me too, in these spots, I'm often all in pre or lose another large chunk on teh flop. I can be results oriented and often think 4 bet folding would have suited me better - never done it but often thought it
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« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2009, 07:55:38 PM »

I was going to post similar.

Flushy, to complete teh helpful advice, how about a demo of why your strat>>4bet fold?  Rather than "it just is" what happens if the flop comes AT4 or T72?  Yes we get to suck up some poker through the streets, but I am guessing many players that haven't had the experience would lose less chips by 4-bet folding than they would by flatting pre and doing more chips in through the streets.

Lets ask some Questions that Sam could have asked:

1) Is passing here pre to the 3bet an option or am I always to flat?  Or would you prefer me to 6bet his 5bet?
2) If it comes low, do I bet fold?
3) If it comes with an Ace or a King am I always check/folding?
4) What sort of flop textures can I check call?  What do I need to think about so that I don't murder more chips using your suggestion than I would 4bet folding?
5) If I hit a set how should I play it?
6) At what point do I work out if he has JJ or KK?

The answer to all your questions Simon is play poker. Early and still gathering info we really don't know what his response to a 4-bet really means, especially in a tournament seemingly full of lunatics. We want to be playing big pots later where our advantage of noticing stuff will make us more certain. I don't think we need to panic or be afraid to play some poker in this spot. We don't want a worse hand to fold and we don't want a better hand to raise and 4-betting only seems to achieve one of those two things. How he reacts to the flop and what he does may give us further clues. We don't know how this guy will strat after the flop when a solid TAG smooths his 3-bet from UTG. Good info to get what he does next imo. What's better info to get is for the other players thou when they see you 4-bet fold early when images are being established. How can you trade successfully off this pussy image? Good luck playing any hand from ep anytime soon. Let's just play a pot with the guy.
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« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2009, 08:01:49 PM »

I agree, I'm all for playing through the streets.  And the only way to get better at that is to actually play through the streets a few times rather than "route1" poker all the time.  Decisions will be wrong, mistakes will be made, we will get outplayed from time to time, but that's all ok and we should get better at it over time.

I am just trying to help bring things back on track a little bit whilst Flushy still has his nice head on.
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« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2009, 12:59:37 PM »

how can the dtd 300 be soft? it is played in the run good capital of the world.
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