Hand from the Luton £220

[the sicilian]

Ok...Lets just pause here for a moment... we have now been given massive info by our opponent based on the luxury of position...

1. his not folding.to play this hand its for his stack and in the end half of ours.. the difference here is ur in for 5k but it could cost you 21k
2. the only things we beat here is an bluff..semi or otherwise...or a horribly overplayed Q 10... u lose to 99/10 10/ 9 10 A 10 ..pos smoothed JJ QQ 22

This is a tournament not cash and we can't reload.. to spew 21K here with one pair against an opponent who has shown massive strength is madness.... you don't have to win every pot this a series of battles..u r not going to win the tournament here, but u can go a long way to losing it...

Fold...show him your top pair and hope he shows you his hand..if his bluffing he prob cant wait to show you how clever he is.. so he bluffed you..so what u still have good chips ... the idea here short handed against mainly passives is to rape thier blinds not get involved in do or die situations for half your stack.... to jam with one pair is akin to closing your eyes and praying.. You can call it weak but if you think logically..ur beat..

[AlexMartin]

Ok...Lets just pause here for a moment... we have now been given massive info by our opponent based on the luxury of position...

1. his not folding.to play this hand its for his stack and in the end half of ours.. the difference here is ur in for 5k but it could cost you 21k
2. the only things we beat here is an bluff..semi or otherwise...or a horribly overplayed Q 10... u lose to 99/10 10/ 9 10 A 10 ..pos smoothed JJ QQ 22

This is a tournament not cash and we can't reload.. to spew 21K here with one pair against an opponent who has shown massive strength is madness.... you don't have to win every pot this a series of battles..u r not probably going to win the tournament here, but u can go a long way to losing it... as when we have 70k our chance of winning this comp outright goes through the roof

Fold...show him your top pair and hope he shows you his hand..if his bluffing he prob cant wait to show you how clever he is.. so he bluffed you..so what u still have good chips ... the idea here short handed against mainly passives is to rape thier blinds not get involved in do or die situations for half your stack.... to jam with one pair is akin to closing your eyes and praying.. You can call it weak but if you think logically..ur beat..

Combine the fact that Mr Paper's image is mental and the fact there are very few combinations of monster made hands that have us beat (given we have a 10 blocker). Literally write down on a piece of paper the monster hands he can have, the big draws, add some junk (like 77/AK coz live players do the weirdest things) and we should never be folding this without an insanely strong read we are crushed. We are burning our equity in the comp if we do.

[BulldozerD]

we got the card we want now gogogogo, he's leading a huge % of turn cards after c/r the flop. If you fold now then you should fold the flop imo

[MANTIS01]

I don't think villain is drawing now so he must have a made hand. If he was drawing or bluffing I think he would jam rather than leaving a few k behind. I also think he would take a little longer considering his options when a blank hit. So it really comes down to what value this villain puts on a made hand. He can have A-10, 9-10, set or overpair easily enough but considering hero's image, villain's frustration, and the fact hero looks drawy villain could have much worse than that. I think either folding or jamming are ok really dependant on how you read villain. Personally I don't like villain's small flop rr and then this spaz out on the turn. If he was as strong as the rr made out I don't see how the sudden scaredy spaz comes about. For that reason I jam. But I wont be putting one finger in the air.

[GreekStein]

Part of my thinking is that live players play a lot of hands without a plan.

When he rr'd the flop did he know what he'd do on the turn if a blank hit? With my range so wide I thought he could still make this bet with any straight or flush draw or combination of both.

His bet was so fast I insta-ruled out a set but felt he could still be thinking a hand like J10/Q10 was good too.

Opinions still welcome before I do the reveal 

[outragous76]

I think the problem on the turn here could come from the villains thought process

Pre flop " he's raised again, gonna smooth and take it off him - he cant always have it. Gonna check raise any flop because he is 100% c betiing every time"

Flop - "bingo dry board, here comes the check raise ...................................."

Now given that the opponent is out of position this could easily have been his thought process. throughout the entire hand to now (given a non thinking player)

So we get to the turn - what bet can he possibly make? - with or without a hand?  All in is an over jam, pot sized bet (the 11k he makes it) means he "cant fold" in a normal world. Can he really check having shown flop strength and then go on to represent any meaningful hand on the river?

I believe his 11 k could still be a bluff (in the sense he could hold an underpair to the 10)

I think any flush should check this turn card, (possibly with a view to shoving your bet if you make it)

does he really smooth with AA KK QQ pre - leaving JJ and 99 as winning hands (TT unlikely)

The Villains problem here is that if his c/r was a bluff, then teh turn leaves him nowhere to go with any sensible bet size. He cant get away from his hand by betting any sensible amount, but also may feel that he cannot check and give up his momentum.

I shove the turn solely based on your image

[BulldozerD]

don't think that flop is particularly dry, there are tonnes of draws out there

[outragous76]

don't think that flop is particularly dry, there are tonnes of draws out there

fair point - but i am just trying to get this hand to the point of the villain being on a bluff and having no where to go on the turn

[titaniumbean]

Ok...Lets just pause here for a moment... we have now been given massive info by our opponent based on the luxury of position...

1. his not folding.to play this hand its for his stack and in the end half of ours.. the difference here is ur in for 5k but it could cost you 21k
2. the only things we beat here is an bluff..semi or otherwise...or a horribly overplayed Q 10... u lose to 99/10 10/ 9 10 A 10 ..pos smoothed JJ QQ 22

This is a tournament not cash and we can't reload.. to spew 21K here with one pair against an opponent who has shown massive strength is madness.... you don't have to win every pot this a series of battles..u r not going to win the tournament here, but u can go a long way to losing it...

Fold...show him your top pair and hope he shows you his hand..if his bluffing he prob cant wait to show you how clever he is.. so he bluffed you..so what u still have good chips ... the idea here short handed against mainly passives is to rape thier blinds not get involved in do or die situations for half your stack.... to jam with one pair is akin to closing your eyes and praying.. You can call it weak but if you think logically..ur beat..

I don't agree with this. Deffo dont fold and show.


The guy is totally going to have A9/K9 some percentage of the time. I think with your image and the texture Cos i'm still going with cawl cawl.

[GreekStein]

If you think I should fold fine but why would I show?

[BulldozerD]

show one card like a live pro

[the sicilian]

If you think I should fold fine but why would I show?

Show the ten..lots of average live players feel obliged to show their hand in return for some mental reason..and def if he was bluffing he wont be able to resist..also show you have a genuine hand and ur not mental raising with any old crap.....

Sorry guys  if you just can't fold one pair some times..and this is live not internet... then ur not gonna do well..so it may be a little weak, u may have got bluffed off the best hand..big deal... in this hand you have a very high risk lose factor which will cost you half your stack... ur all too willing to just lump over 50bb into a pot thats very marginal.. look at the whole picture..ur early in a 2 day tournament..let 1 go FFS

[titaniumbean]

Read the op though there are specific dynamics......

[BulldozerD]

i have no problem in folding 1 pair in a live tourney but in this situation if we are folding the turn then we should have folded on the flop (also would consider whether you should bet the flop as well).

[the sicilian]

Read the op though there are specific dynamics......

Yeah he check folded 3 times weak..which indicates his weak tight and now he wants to go to war for his stack..and your read is his a bit pissed off with you?.... er ok..