Etiquette query

[AlexMartin]

Wanted general consensus on this. Live mixed game, pleasant, omaha. Ugt limps, mp calls, co calls, button calls, utg jams, mp calls, CO folds, button calls allin.

3 way to flop. Utg makes the wheel to scoop showing AA25ss after Button shows top set and mucks. Mp goes to muck also and CO asks to see his cards, Mp pushes into muck and CO  forcibly takes the cards before they hit the muck and looks.

Thoughts on his entitlement to see the hand having folded before showdown and whether if the dealer is about to muck the losing hand he can forcibly retrieve.

Does it make a difference if anyone is winning or losing?

[titaniumbean]

it's no pleasant no more.

KITN for CO obv.

[Blatch]

Wanted general consensus on this. Live mixed game, pleasant, omaha. Ugt limps, mp calls, co calls, button calls, utg jams, mp calls, CO folds, button calls allin.

3 way to flop. Utg makes the wheel to scoop showing AA25ss after Button shows top set and mucks. Mp goes to muck also and CO asks to see his cards, Mp pushes into muck and CO  forcibly takes the cards before they hit the muck and looks.

Thoughts on his entitlement to see the hand having folded before showdown and whether if the dealer is about to muck the losing hand he can forcibly retrieve.

Does it make a difference if anyone is winning or losing?

Certainly make no difference at all.

Generally different casinos have different rules for this sort of thing but I would have thought that once cards are in the muck the guy who reached in and flipped them over should have his arms cut off.

[AndrewT]

If I was MP I'd still be hitting CO now.

[Ironside]

cash game should only ever retrieve card if you are accusing 2 players of cheating you and should only be down by the card room super

[Cf]

Yes, everyone dealt into the hand has a right to request to see cards eligible to participate in showdown.

Any player handling another players cards is unnacceptable. If I was running the game then this person would be removed from it.

What the hell is the dealer doing during all of this? If someone requests to see cards then they should either show them or call the floor. Also, the player shouldn't be able to muck his cards as the dealer should be protecting the muck pile in front of him.


Similar one I heard about in DTD last weekend. Two people got to showdown, one showed, the other said it was good and folded his hand. The winning player then asked to see the cards of his opponent. The dealer asked the other player if he wanted to show and he said no. The dealer then mucked the cards without showing. As much as I approve of this behaviour (I think asking to see someones hand when they don't want to show is quite scummy) I don't think it's the correct procedure.

[Alverton]

If I was MP I'd still be hitting CO now.

This

[GreekStein]

touch my hand you might not have yours much longer.

I don't care what the rules say, if I lose at showdown in a cash game I expect to be able to muck quietly. I'll never ask to see anyone elses hand in this scenario so don't expect it the other way.

[Ironside]

touch my hand you might not have yours much longer.

I don't care what the rules say, if I lose at showdown in a cash game I expect to be able to muck quietly. I'll never ask to see anyone elses hand in this scenario so don't expect it the other way.

if you thought that 2 mates had colluded against you in a pot would you not expect to see there hands ?

[nirvana]

Name & shame but I reckon I could guess

[GreekStein]

touch my hand you might not have yours much longer.

I don't care what the rules say, if I lose at showdown in a cash game I expect to be able to muck quietly. I'll never ask to see anyone elses hand in this scenario so don't expect it the other way.

if you thought that 2 mates had colluded against you in a pot would you not expect to see there hands ?

Bit different situation though. Alex mentioned nothing of collusion. If I suspected this I'd tell the dealer or floorperson and ask them to rule on the hands.

[MANTIS01]

You don't touch someone else's stack. You don't touch someone else's cards. The end.

[Ironside]

You don't touch someone else's stack. You don't touch someone else's cards. The end.

thats something that really annoys me

people knocking someones stack over

really pisses me off that i feel like hitting people

[salfi]

i get into arguments all the time about procedure of showing down hands. i know the rules so i stick to them. in vegas i had a guy who i knew wouldnt show his hand down at showdown if i showed the winner and i knew i had right to see his hand 1st . trouble was people sed i was taking the piss because i had the stone cold steve austin(nuts) i really wanted to see his hand. any thoughts is it a slowroll or am i just exploiting the rule of i have the right to see his hand 1st at showdown. very grey area i thought at time but i wouldnt expect to see his hand after i show down what i expect to be a winner.    

[GreekStein]

Thread reminds me of when I first started playing cash games online years ago. When making a bad call i.e calling down QQ on a AKKJ board to be shown AA I'd say 'sick - had JJ' in the chatbox. This was until one guy creepily got my hand right every time, he'd say things like 'You played it more like Queens than Jacks', pwning me over in pots and in lies to the point where I feel like a lot more of a dousche than I actually am. I almost quit playing thinking that my opposition was incredible to have such accurate hand reading until I downloaded flash player for something else and discovered what hand history button was a few weeks later!