Etiquette query

[Claw75]

Thread reminds me of when I first started playing cash games online years ago. When making a bad call i.e calling down QQ on a AKKJ board to be shown AA I'd say 'sick - had JJ' in the chatbox. This was until one guy creepily got my hand right every time, he'd say things like 'You played it more like Queens than Jacks', pwning me over in pots and in lies to the point where I feel like a lot more of a dousche than I actually am. I almost quit playing thinking that my opposition was incredible to have such accurate hand reading until I downloaded flash player for something else and discovered what hand history button was a few weeks later!

 

[outragous76]

I'm with andrew t.

Why am I banned from gala?

[Boba Fett]

i get into arguments all the time about procedure of showing down hands. i know the rules so i stick to them. in vegas i had a guy who i knew wouldnt show his hand down at showdown if i showed the winner and i knew i had right to see his hand 1st . trouble was people sed i was taking the piss because i had the stone cold steve austin(nuts) i really wanted to see his hand. any thoughts is it a slowroll or am i just exploiting the rule of i have the right to see his hand 1st at showdown. very grey area i thought at time but i wouldnt expect to see his hand after i show down what i expect to be a winner.    

Pretty outragous behaviour imo.  I know you're following the rules but insisting that someone else shows down 1st when you have the nuts is as good as demanding a losing hand be turned over.  If you have the nuts why nut just show, claim the pot and it doesnt matter what he had.

[ScottMGee]

Pretty outragous behaviour imo.  I know you're following the rules but insisting that someone else shows down 1st when you have the nuts is as good as demanding a losing hand be turned over.  If you have the nuts why nut just show, claim the pot and it doesnt matter what he had.

totally disagree, you should not have to insist the losing hand is turned over as that hand should be tabled without you having to ask.

If you are called then simply turn your hand over without delay!!

[Boba Fett]

If we are talking about cash games here it is bad etiquette to ask to see a losing hand, Id say its also bad etiquette to not declare the nuts so that you can see your opponents losing hand.

If its a tournament Id still insta turn the nuts but if you want to see his hand so bad ask to see it.

[salfi]

i get into arguments all the time about procedure of showing down hands. i know the rules so i stick to them. in vegas i had a guy who i knew wouldnt show his hand down at showdown if i showed the winner and i knew i had right to see his hand 1st . trouble was people sed i was taking the piss because i had the stone cold steve austin(nuts) i really wanted to see his hand. any thoughts is it a slowroll or am i just exploiting the rule of i have the right to see his hand 1st at showdown. very grey area i thought at time but i wouldnt expect to see his hand after i show down what i expect to be a winner.    

Pretty outragous behaviour imo.  I know you're following the rules but insisting that someone else shows down 1st when you have the nuts is as good as demanding a losing hand be turned over.  If you have the nuts why nut just show, claim the pot and it doesnt matter what he had.

it always matters what they have. it was a wsop event and when im playin at a decent level of what i presumed to be thinking players il take any edge i get . makes no difference to me if it gets under there skin im not there to make friends i was there chasing dreams and in my dreams i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

[Boba Fett]

Fair enough, I thought you were meaning in cash games

[nirvana]

i get into arguments all the time about procedure of showing down hands. i know the rules so i stick to them. in vegas i had a guy who i knew wouldnt show his hand down at showdown if i showed the winner and i knew i had right to see his hand 1st . trouble was people sed i was taking the piss because i had the stone cold steve austin(nuts) i really wanted to see his hand. any thoughts is it a slowroll or am i just exploiting the rule of i have the right to see his hand 1st at showdown. very grey area i thought at time but i wouldnt expect to see his hand after i show down what i expect to be a winner.    

Pretty outragous behaviour imo.  I know you're following the rules but insisting that someone else shows down 1st when you have the nuts is as good as demanding a losing hand be turned over.  If you have the nuts why nut just show, claim the pot and it doesnt matter what he had.

it always matters what they have. it was a wsop event and when im playin at a decent level of what i presumed to be thinking players il take any edge i get . makes no difference to me if it gets under there skin im not there to make friends i was there chasing dreams and in my dreams i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

Work on having more pleasant dreams imo

[Cf]

Thread reminds me of when I first started playing cash games online years ago. When making a bad call i.e calling down QQ on a AKKJ board to be shown AA I'd say 'sick - had JJ' in the chatbox. This was until one guy creepily got my hand right every time, he'd say things like 'You played it more like Queens than Jacks', pwning me over in pots and in lies to the point where I feel like a lot more of a dousche than I actually am. I almost quit playing thinking that my opposition was incredible to have such accurate hand reading until I downloaded flash player for something else and discovered what hand history button was a few weeks later!

POTW

[doubleup]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

[GreekStein]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

I know of a guy who got slashed across his face for using table talk to get his opponent to call.

[vegaslover]

i really dont care if i upset anyone who is there to get in my way.

You do know that ppl carry guns in the US?

If you make a habit of slow-rolling the nuts, its just a matter of time till you do it to the wrong person.

I know of a guy who got slashed across his face for using table talk to get his opponent to call.

so are you suggesting that playings shouldn't use table talk?

Personally I think that people should have to show cards at showdown, if asked by other player(s) still in the hand at showdown

[Tuffster]

OK, call me dumb here......

But I don't get why it is bad etiquette to request to see called hands.

Now, I don't play live cash so this is not about tilting people, just wondering why my logic doesn't match with etiquette.

If I've got a great hand (but not the nuts) and only call on the river, I'd want to see what the other guy was playing, so that I can build my knowledge base on the player (i.e does he overbet 2pr on a scary turn/river), or if I've read the bet as a blocker bet I want to see if my read was correct.

As we all know, Poker is a game of info and all information gained adds to your edge.

So why is it bad etiquette when you have paid (in real terms on a cash table) to see a guys cards, it's then bad etiquette to request the information that you have paid for?

/end dumb question

[Ironside]

because its bad etiquette to build your info base while counting his chips

[nirvana]

because its bad etiquette to build your info base while counting his chips

lol, true true