2 Hands from Bristol Gala Tour

[Blatch]

Hand 1

Its level 3, 75/150 and ive been fairly active but had the goods everytime its gone to show down.  Table is very passive really and there are 3 or 4 very easy to read players at the table and its very easy to accumalte chips.  Although I have Steve Holden and Toby McFkin Lewis at the table there are plenty of spare chips around the table to split between the 3 of us nicely

Viillain has made one raise pre in 3 levels and has only defended BB twice and limped in multi way pots once.

Villain raises to 400 UTG +1, I look down next to act at , MBSFN, and re pop to 1125.  With my current image I was pretty certain of getting action.  Villain flats after a bit of a dwell.

Flops comes  , he leads for 1200, I take a small amount of time and make it 2850, villain thinks for a while and then flat calls.  Turn comes  and he checks to me.

What should be my play here?  Would anyone do different up to now?

On the turn villain has around 7k in his stack and I have around 16k. Pot is just over 8k.


Hand 2

Villain is a slightly above average player who I dont really know but I knocked him out twice in previous events.  He is in the cut off on my BB and has raised my BB last two rounds when folded round to him.  He tends to gay raise when he has a type of hand but not overly keen on, i.e. 2 pics or small pairs. 

Folds to villain at 600/1200/100 and he makes it 3200 out of a stack of 65k.  I look in the BB at  and flat - would anyone 3 bet here OOP? He has certainly attacked my BB recently.  Im playing a stack of around 100k.

Flops comes    , I check (Should I lead?)  and he checks behind.  Thus far he never really c bets and tends to gives up on pots if he misses especially against me.  Turn brings  , again I check being quite happy to play small ball poker at this stage althougth quite happy im ahead - should I be leading?

I check and he leads for 4.5k and I flat.

River brings  , MBSFN to be me!!, I lead for 7.2k hoping he has a flush and he instantly ships the lot for 60k more.  The tourney average chip stack is currently 28k and im sat there with 95k or so.  Does anyone fold?  What range of hands do we put out oppo on?

[AlexMartin]

hand 1 perfect, now ship.

Hand 2, i 3b pre deffo some of the time, probs 3b 60%/call 40 ish. Leading is a really pickly science and the problem is its generally way too exploitable. I probably bet the turn when he checks back the flop for some protection and value from stuff like turned diamonds. River is deffo a bet and its kinda sick when he ships. Tbh this is how randoms play monsters so i dont mind a fold, just depends if hes a radio or understands AA/ a flush isnt the nutnut.

[GreekStein]

hand 1 perfect, now ship.

Hand 2, i 3b pre deffo some of the time, probs 3b 60%/call 40 ish. Leading is a really pickly science and the problem is its generally way too exploitable. I probably bet the turn when he checks back the flop for some protection and value from stuff like turned diamonds. River is deffo a bet and its kinda sick when he ships. Tbh this is how randoms play monsters so i dont mind a fold, just depends if hes a radio or understands AA/ a flush isnt the nutnut.

Hand 2: I lead the turn. As played I think you have the best idea of what to do on the river being that you've played with the guy before. Is he capable of shipping here with something like rivered nut diamonds or 67/56 thinking he's doing it for value or likewise risking the whole lot on a complete bluff? This one is a complete mindfuck tbh but I doubt he's bluffing off 65k here. I don't mind a fold either, as long as you cry for a while beforehand.

Edit: Thinking about this and still can't decide. How old is he? Bit more description of him? Online guy? Young/Old etc? I'd expect a lot of live regs to value raise bigger boats but not often ship them here. abfafsjkhgskhgsdg

[MANTIS01]

Hand 1 - perfectly standard. Villain looks like an over-pair to me and shipping gives him better than 2-1 so it creates a spot where he can't fold such a hand. The only other likely holding is a set but wont mean the hand plays different imo.

Hand 2 - I would also lead the turn. That play might be exploitable vs certain players but this villain has shown a willingness to give up on pots if he misses...so how exploitable is leading against him specifically? You have taken the trouble to study the guy's play and yet don't test that theory in the perfect situation to do so. You have a commanding chipstack, villain wont want to tangle much in his spot, he has already checked a good flop for you, and the turn is a brick. I think you should bet, apply this pressure, and take the pot down or at least get some info trying. When he jams I don't know what you beat if villain isn't bad and suspect 8-8 so I think folding is ok.

[poonjoe]

Hand 1 - why not raise more preflop - you are obviously convinced he has a premium hand so why not make it 1450 or 1550? The dwell and the flop lead put him squarely on pairs 99-QQ. I find it difficult to give him a lot of credit for anything else.

Any body language when the Jack came? His check is consistent with him having 99-QQ, and unless he has a set of Jacks he is getting ready to shut down with most of his range. I check behind and make big value bet if he checks the river, just call if he bets out.

Hand 2 - mmmmm poker is hard.

[MC]

Yeah hand one seems you played well, any kind of bet either putting him in or effectively committing him seems apt.

Hand 2, Flat pre is fine, I think lead the turn. As played You're only losing to 66 and 88 (44 would surely bet the flop?) but it does look like that's v.possible. On the other hand, backdoor nut flush can't be ruled out because it's hard to put you on a boat. His ship is confusing, as you've shown no real sign that you have a hand, and you usually get value shipped on in these spots only when a call seems viable. I don't know if I can lay it down on this basis. But then again why ship with only a flush. Argh. Folding is definitely okay, but I don't know if it's best.

[MANTIS01]

Villain sees hero c/call a diamond turn and then v-bet lead for under half the pot on a diamond river. Villain must accept a flush is possible. That said I think he would call with any 6 or any hand with showdown value because of that possibility. I also don't think a guy with 3x average sees this possible flush as a good time to bluff into the CL, especially as he's been quite passive before. So if villain doesn't have showdown value and isn't bluffing he's probably good imo. It's very hard to fold this hand because it feels like the river was such a lucky bink but I can only ever see us ahead of the nf at showdown.