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Topic: Where's Greekstein? (Read 53347 times)
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:36:15 AM »
i think your all missing the point. whether its 3 days or 3 years doesnt matter.
cos and ben think the punishment is over the top and unnecessary thats the point not the length of time
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:42:14 AM »
Quote from: inthebelly on November 03, 2009, 11:36:15 AM
i think your all missing the point. whether its 3 days or 3 years doesnt matter.
cos and ben think the punishment is over the top and unnecessary thats the point not the length of time
Plus unless he finds his dummy Cos wont be back when the ban ends.
I dont believe it myself, but currently his position is he will never post on here again.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:47:29 AM »
Quote from: Dingdell on November 03, 2009, 10:16:58 AM
A ban of 3 days - oh stop the world - it's not a lifetime for goodness sake.
Guess it must be a good forum if people think that 3 days away from it is so bad.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:48:40 AM »
More point is that they as I were unaware that there was possibility that ban were going to be lengthed. As a long time poster I have never heard of people being banned for 1 set amount of time and then being told it is actually longer.
Than we get a thread where the mods decide that is time to get tough and banning Cos/Rooks seem to be the scapegoats. To show how serious they are about this. When in a postion of decision making in anything you need to consistent and clear in your actions, in this particularly case the decision making is clear as mud.
The mods have a job I don't envy on here and it is a very tricky balancing act. I just feel they have dropped the ball on this one, it is just leading to the ever increasing them and us attitude on blonde when it just used to be us.
Fwiw it is worth I think Cos has to hasty in his decision imo and will almost certainly regret saying he will never post again. As he has now dug himself an unnecessary hole.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:54:04 AM »
Quote from: Longy on November 03, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
More point is that they as I were unaware that there was possibility that ban were going to be lengthed. As a long time poster I have never heard of people being banned for 1 set amount of time and then being told it is actually longer.
This is simply not the case. The 24 hour cooler is routinely used whilst the mods decide what course of action is appropriate. It is not the case of doing one thing and then lengthening a ban. A cooler is not a ban it is what it implies, a cooling off period where decisions can be made without ongoing distractions.
The mods believe they have been consistent and clear in their actions. Furthermore they regard 3 day bans in this case as lenient.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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Quote from: inthebelly on November 03, 2009, 11:36:15 AM
i think your all missing the point. whether its 3 days or 3 years doesnt matter.
cos and ben think the punishment is over the top and unnecessary thats the point not the length of time
Well of course they do - because it's them thats been given the punishment.
I don't know many people who think their own punishment is fair.
I'm not sure if it's for us to question it in any case. Obv this is a forum of varying views but the moderating team are the moderating team and we have to trust them to do what they think is right. The forum rules are there for all to see and the moderating team have to make decisions based on that.
3 days is only 3 days, not a lifetime.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:55:00 AM »
Quote from: StuartHopkin on November 03, 2009, 11:42:14 AM
Plus unless he finds his dummy Cos wont be back when the ban ends.
I dont believe it myself, but currently his position is he will never post on here again.
Flushy said similar, now he owns the place, how long before Cos has got some shares in the place?
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:59:40 AM »
There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.
People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 11:59:51 AM »
3 days seems a bit harsh but then again I don't know what was said.
I won't miss Cos on here at all because I speak to him often anyway. It's definitely a shame if he decides not to post any more though. Not for me but for himself.
I know he enjoys it on here and will miss posting. He took his 1 day ban in a light hearted manner but I know from speaking to him that he knew what he said was out of order. I guess when he was told he had a couple of extra days he just thought "f**k it" why bother.
To be honest I really can't see the point of a 3 day ban. Either a cooler or an indefinite ban is the way to go. If somebody is that bad they shouldn't be posting at all. If someone makes a mistake then a cooler is sufficient. To have ban lengths based on severity of the incident is ridiculous. Who is judge and jury? Do the guys get a chance to defend themselves? It's just not fair.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 12:04:20 PM »
Quote from: Dingdell on November 03, 2009, 11:54:30 AM
Quote from: inthebelly on November 03, 2009, 11:36:15 AM
i think your all missing the point. whether its 3 days or 3 years doesnt matter.
cos and ben think the punishment is over the top and unnecessary thats the point not the length of time
Well of course they do - because it's them thats been given the punishment.
I don't know many people who think their own punishment is fair.
I'm not sure if it's for us to question it in any case. Obv this is a forum of varying views but the moderating team are the moderating team and we have to trust them to do what they think is right. The forum rules are there for all to see and the moderating team have to make decisions based on that.
3 days is only 3 days, not a lifetime
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And that is why it is a bad ban. It seems a bit childish tbh. The difference between 1 day and 3 days is irrelevant. It seems like the mods have just extended the ban "because they can".
I'm sure that this isn't the case but it just seems that way to me.
3 days is just pointless. If they were really naughty then ban them for a month. If they were a bit ott then give a cooler for 24 hours.
Anything in between just seems like a petty punishment designed to show people who the bosses are.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 12:06:41 PM »
You think its unfair? tell the person who is 95% sure not to ever return to the forums becasue he was abused on the forums from cos its too long.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 12:09:11 PM »
Quote from: blonde Moderating Team on November 03, 2009, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Longy on November 03, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
More point is that they as I were unaware that there was possibility that ban were going to be lengthed. As a long time poster I have never heard of people being banned for 1 set amount of time and then being told it is actually longer.
This is simply not the case. The 24 hour cooler is routinely used whilst the mods decide what course of action is appropriate. It is not the case of doing one thing and then lengthening a ban. A cooler is not a ban it is what it implies, a cooling off period where decisions can be made without ongoing distractions.
The mods believe they have been consistent and clear in their actions. Furthermore they regard 3 day bans in this case as lenient.
why be lenient then? be consistent and ban them for however long u think fits the crime imo
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 12:09:42 PM »
Quote from: Acidmouse on November 03, 2009, 11:59:40 AM
There was no ban length changed, I think the mods have outlined what happens for all people banned. They initially receive a 24hr ban, in that time the mods can discuss the individual cases and decided upon how long they receive. So that's that.
People posting endless streams of questioning the mods decisions only causes tension and increases the problems for the mods. Wether you agree with the ban or not trust them to do their jobs, its irrelevant if the people banned are popular or not, they in the opinion of the people who look after the forums are receiving a just punishment. I have been on the end of one (a week for calling one person a *** seem fair?) and took it for what it was, it does not stop them from browsing the forums ffs. Certain individuals are trying to make out its the end of the world and love the shit stirring, move on let them spit their dummies out, obv they will be back.
I totally disagree with this. Mods are there to ensure the smooth running of the forum but it's not "their" forum. It's our forum, all the members no matter how many times they post are the forum. Without them there isn't a forum.
Everybody's opinion on this matter is important. Nobody who has an opinion here should keep quiet and let the mods get on with it.
You haven't kept quiet on the subject and that is fine. You and others have argued that you agree with the mods. I and others have argued that we disagree. Some others have simply said they don't mind either way.
The day that people stop caring about these things is the day the forum dies. Without discussioon you don't have a forum.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 12:10:08 PM »
just spoke to greeky on the phone and it looks like hes gonna be on the radio show tonight.
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Re: Where's Greekstein?
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November 03, 2009, 12:10:37 PM »
There isn't a one day ban. The cooler period is like being put in a police cell over night after being arrested for an offence. Then within 24 hours, you might be released or charged. Then you go up in front of a court (the mods) and they decide on what (if any) offence was committed, and the severity of the punishment.
As for a 3-day ban being childish, why the massive upset from Cos and others? If it's trivial, then let it blow over and continue as usual on the other side.
It's certainly made a point to Cos, don't you think?
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