Scotland's Shame thread

[AndrewT]

Doubt the OF will get in the Premier League any time soon - having them in means two fewer spots for teams like West Ham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn etc, and those teams all get a vote in whether the OF get in, so they're not going to vote for more competition for places.

Whilst being in the Premier League would mean more money for the OF from league games, it would mean an end to European football as Celtic and Rangers would be nowhere near European qualification - they'd be bumbling along in mid/bottom-half of the table.

[kinboshi]

Doubt the OF will get in the Premier League any time soon - having them in means two fewer spots for teams like West Ham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn etc, and those teams all get a vote in whether the OF get in, so they're not going to vote for more competition for places.

Whilst being in the Premier League would mean more money for the OF from league games, it would mean an end to European football as Celtic and Rangers would be nowhere near European qualification - they'd be bumbling along in mid/bottom-half of the table.

...with Liverpool.

[AndrewT]

Doubt the OF will get in the Premier League any time soon - having them in means two fewer spots for teams like West Ham, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn etc, and those teams all get a vote in whether the OF get in, so they're not going to vote for more competition for places.

Whilst being in the Premier League would mean more money for the OF from league games, it would mean an end to European football as Celtic and Rangers would be nowhere near European qualification - they'd be bumbling along in mid/bottom-half of the table.

...with Liverpool.

No, I don't think Celtic or Rangers will get involved in the relegation battle.

[fatshaft]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[Scottish Dave]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

[Ironside]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

[Scottish Dave]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

I only half agree with you TBH.

The part i agree with is that the league would defo becoming more competitive, and enjoyable for the fans of the SPL teams, but i disagree with the TV companies taking a new interest, i really don't see them being interested in showing (a newly competitive) Hearts v Aberdeen, than say West Ham v Everton even.

Yes Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc will thrive and win the league, but they will only thrive in a desperate league which might not even gain entery into Europe anymore, if UEFA decide so once celtic and rangers leave (which i think will happen)

No Europe and no TV deals, how good will the league be?

[Longy]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

I only half agree with you TBH.

The part i agree with is that the league would defo becoming more competitive, and enjoyable for the fans of the SPL teams, but i disagree with the TV companies taking a new interest, i really don't see them being interested in showing (a newly competitive) Hearts v Aberdeen, than say West Ham v Everton even.

Yes Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc will thrive and win the league, but they will only thrive in a desperate league which might not even gain entery into Europe anymore, if UEFA decide so once celtic and rangers leave (which i think will happen)

No Europe and no TV deals, how good will the league be?

Why would UEFA do that? They might well ban Rangers and Celtic from europe for not playing in their own domestic league a la the Welsh sides in England but the Scottish sides who remain will be more than welcome.

[Scottish Dave]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

I only half agree with you TBH.

The part i agree with is that the league would defo becoming more competitive, and enjoyable for the fans of the SPL teams, but i disagree with the TV companies taking a new interest, i really don't see them being interested in showing (a newly competitive) Hearts v Aberdeen, than say West Ham v Everton even.

Yes Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc will thrive and win the league, but they will only thrive in a desperate league which might not even gain entery into Europe anymore, if UEFA decide so once celtic and rangers leave (which i think will happen)

No Europe and no TV deals, how good will the league be?

Why would UEFA do that? They might well ban Rangers and Celtic from europe for not playing in their own domestic league a la the Welsh sides in England but the Scottish sides who remain will be more than welcome.

well if they do still let them compete in Europe it will be 10 times harder to get in due to the Coefficient, Celtic and rangers Co-eff's are majorly higher than hibs, aberdeen etc, and we struggle to make it through 1 or 2 rounds, with their C0-eff they will need to go through all three rounds, plus the play off round.

IMO they wont be competing in Europe.

I still think there wont be any TV deals tho, so very little money's coming in, meaning any young talent will still leave for Lower english leagues for better money

[Longy]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

I only half agree with you TBH.

The part i agree with is that the league would defo becoming more competitive, and enjoyable for the fans of the SPL teams, but i disagree with the TV companies taking a new interest, i really don't see them being interested in showing (a newly competitive) Hearts v Aberdeen, than say West Ham v Everton even.

Yes Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc will thrive and win the league, but they will only thrive in a desperate league which might not even gain entery into Europe anymore, if UEFA decide so once celtic and rangers leave (which i think will happen)

No Europe and no TV deals, how good will the league be?

Why would UEFA do that? They might well ban Rangers and Celtic from europe for not playing in their own domestic league a la the Welsh sides in England but the Scottish sides who remain will be more than welcome.

well if they do still let them compete in Europe it will be 10 times harder to get in due to the Coefficient, Celtic and rangers Co-eff's are majorly higher than hibs, aberdeen etc, and we struggle to make it through 1 or 2 rounds, with their C0-eff they will need to go through all three rounds, plus the play off round.

IMO they wont be competing in Europe.

I still think there wont be any TV deals tho, so very little money's coming in, meaning any young talent will still leave for Lower english leagues for better money

How is that any different to what is happening now to the non old firm scottish sides. The majority are still going through the qualifying stages of the Europa cup, if Rangers and Celtic leave the co-efficient will almost certainly drop but the clubs will also be finishing higher up the league/winning cups to qualify for the spot vacated by the old firm.

The implications of old firm's european future are a lot more concerning, what the old firm gain for being in the EPL they will also possibly lose european football leading to a situation where they couldn't financially compete with the big 4 in England.

[Ironside]

I actually believe Scottish football would thrive without them, the league suddenly becomes very competitive with the OF gone. I also think there would be more opportunity for young scots to make the break through. I think Scottish Football would win, the OF would win, I just really don't see what's in it for the EPL.

Totally agree. Seems most fans are more than happy to be waving goodbye to the OF. Thanks for nothing really, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you need to remember that none of the other SPL teams would be where they are financially right now, if it wasn't for Us bringing in the Setanta Money (when they actually paid up) and ESPN Money. don't bite the hand that feed you.

but the crowds would be bigger and the games more intresting the league more competitive and the whole package more intriguing to the TV companies who at the moment are only intrested in the old firm and derbys

I only half agree with you TBH.

The part i agree with is that the league would defo becoming more competitive, and enjoyable for the fans of the SPL teams, but i disagree with the TV companies taking a new interest, i really don't see them being interested in showing (a newly competitive) Hearts v Aberdeen, than say West Ham v Everton even.

Yes Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc will thrive and win the league, but they will only thrive in a desperate league which might not even gain entery into Europe anymore, if UEFA decide so once celtic and rangers leave (which i think will happen)

No Europe and no TV deals, how good will the league be?

Why would UEFA do that? They might well ban Rangers and Celtic from europe for not playing in their own domestic league a la the Welsh sides in England but the Scottish sides who remain will be more than welcome.

well if they do still let them compete in Europe it will be 10 times harder to get in due to the Coefficient, Celtic and rangers Co-eff's are majorly higher than hibs, aberdeen etc, and we struggle to make it through 1 or 2 rounds, with their C0-eff they will need to go through all three rounds, plus the play off round.

IMO they wont be competing in Europe.

I still think there wont be any TV deals tho, so very little money's coming in, meaning any young talent will still leave for Lower english leagues for better money
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if the OF left the level of the remain teams would improve and the teams would be able to compete better,
after all the OF werent competive when the last scottish team won a euro trophey

[rossfourfive]

Yes the league will be more competitive without the OF but it hardly means anything. Winning the league will be just like getting third at the moment. I really don't think I would be dancing in the streets if Aberdeen beat off stiff competition from the mighty Hearts Hibs and Dundee Utd to win the league.

I also agree with Dave, coefficient will crash without the OF and the league winner will have to start in the first qualification round for the champions league along with all the other small teams.

The sad fact is that the OF are Scottish football. They bring in the TV money and without them, revenues will plummet - TV and gates. I can't see clubs getting bigger crowds if the OF leave. The OF games are the only ones that get big crowds at Pittodrie.

[Scottish Dave]

Yes the league will be more competitive without the OF but it hardly means anything. Winning the league will be just like getting third at the moment. I really don't think I would be dancing in the streets if Aberdeen beat off stiff competition from the mighty Hearts Hibs and Dundee Utd to win the league.

I also agree with Dave, coefficient will crash without the OF and the league winner will have to start in the first qualification round for the champions league along with all the other small teams.

The sad fact is that the OF are Scottish football. They bring in the TV money and without them, revenues will plummet - TV and gates. I can't see clubs getting bigger crowds if the OF leave. The OF games are the only ones that get big crowds at Pittodrie.

This is what i was trying to say, perhaps Ross said it better than me.

[Ironside]

Yes the league will be more competitive without the OF but it hardly means anything. Winning the league will be just like getting third at the moment. I really don't think I would be dancing in the streets if Aberdeen beat off stiff competition from the mighty Hearts Hibs and Dundee Utd to win the league.

I also agree with Dave, coefficient will crash without the OF and the league winner will have to start in the first qualification round for the champions league along with all the other small teams.

The sad fact is that the OF are Scottish football. They bring in the TV money and without them, revenues will plummet - TV and gates. I can't see clubs getting bigger crowds if the OF leave. The OF games are the only ones that get big crowds at Pittodrie.

OF games are the only ones to get crowds cause the standard of the rest of the teams is piss poor
when the OF leave the standard will improve IMHO and people will turn up to see good games

[Scottish Dave]

Yes the league will be more competitive without the OF but it hardly means anything. Winning the league will be just like getting third at the moment. I really don't think I would be dancing in the streets if Aberdeen beat off stiff competition from the mighty Hearts Hibs and Dundee Utd to win the league.

I also agree with Dave, coefficient will crash without the OF and the league winner will have to start in the first qualification round for the champions league along with all the other small teams.

The sad fact is that the OF are Scottish football. They bring in the TV money and without them, revenues will plummet - TV and gates. I can't see clubs getting bigger crowds if the OF leave. The OF games are the only ones that get big crowds at Pittodrie.

OF games are the only ones to get crowds cause the standard of the rest of the teams is piss poor
when the OF leave the standard will improve IMHO and people will turn up to see good games

How will it improve with less funds, meaning poorer training facilities, and poorer youth academies?