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[Mitch]

Yeah I knew you were aware of your own image, afterall you wore a cap too sign of someone with ginger hair lol. Yeah mate definately I'll be there, see you then for a drink or 2!

fyp

hahahaha! I'm a blonde Neil ( Blondes have more fun apparently ask Tikay), there is some1 else called James Williams who actually has that colour hair tho dont get us mixed up again ffs! My facebook was covered with GL on Luton GUKPT Final table, I was like this is amazing I do better in tournaments when I don't actually enter or turn up, Final table without entering or paying a dime sick life!

Aimed at me. Hes obviously jelous of my autum sunrise-esque tones!

[jakally]

Yeah I knew you were aware of your own image, afterall you wore a cap too sign of someone with ginger hair lol. Yeah mate definately I'll be there, see you then for a drink or 2!

fyp

hahahaha! I'm a blonde Neil ( Blondes have more fun apparently ask Tikay), there is some1 else called James Williams who actually has that colour hair tho dont get us mixed up again ffs! My facebook was covered with GL on Luton GUKPT Final table, I was like this is amazing I do better in tournaments when I don't actually enter or turn up, Final table without entering or paying a dime sick life!

Aimed at me. Hes obviously jelous of my autum sunrise-esque tones!

No, just jealous of your newly inflated bankroll!

[Mitch]

My image at DTD could be described as 'loose' so to speak, and tbh Simon prob aint folding aces against me for toffee! lol

So why check?...

Ive already said i checked the flop as im expecting this is a board a shorty would connect with and build the pot with me effectivley being in position.

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Usually i would lead at this flop, but with the relative short stacks behind who are going to connect with this flop alot of the time and shove for a near pot size bet, i thought Id give them a chance to get it in with AJ / KJ/ KQ type hands or air. No biters.

What do they do with any/all of these hands if you bet?

As played, I like that you flat the turn and bet the river. Raising the turn overreps our hand imo, although since it makes pretty much no sense (only 56 might feasibly call pre, check this flop then raise the turn) we may credibly represent a bluff here. Depends how well Simon reads hands/how often he outplays himself and stacks off. Checking back the river is too tight imo, as you say it's unlikely he would check-raise the river when you have only flatted the turn.

If I check the flop and one of the other stacks does bet, Simon has no idea at all about the strength of my hand and i have gained a second round of position on him on the flop in an escalated pot where he possibly put up to another £150 in. Knowing his hand now it is also possible he is coming back over the top to protect his aces.

Anyway I agree betting the flop is prob the best play and i think the call pre is marginal depending on the other 2 players likelihood to jam.

[AlexMartin]

Couple of points - not sure if they've been mentioned.

Calling the 3 bet preflop is really bad and just bleeding £.  You may have the implied odds vs Simon, but the BTN and CO are both short and are going to be getting it in on the flop a lot and you don't have the implied odds vs them.

I think not betting the flops really bad... Lots of turns hit gutshots and OESD that don't bet flop cos multi way not to forget oversets.  Also betting the flop gives us the initiative for the turn where we can just bet bet bet vs Simon (and others)

You guys realise that basically the nut situation came up and we only barely won the amount required from our preflop play... The CO/BTN just jams it in pre a fair amount (we burn £25 when this happens), even if we flop a set vs QQ+ he can still hit his 2 outs, if he has QQ he's gonna get away if a A/K flops (like 50% of the time), KK 25% etc.

+1, to the letter

mental imo, its not like we only ever continue if we flop a set. he either has a tight range and we have true implied, or he has a wider range and we can fk with him postflop. cake/eat blablabla

[GreekStein]

Couple of points - not sure if they've been mentioned.

Calling the 3 bet preflop is really bad and just bleeding £.  You may have the implied odds vs Simon, but the BTN and CO are both short and are going to be getting it in on the flop a lot and you don't have the implied odds vs them.

I think not betting the flops really bad... Lots of turns hit gutshots and OESD that don't bet flop cos multi way not to forget oversets.  Also betting the flop gives us the initiative for the turn where we can just bet bet bet vs Simon (and others)

You guys realise that basically the nut situation came up and we only barely won the amount required from our preflop play... The CO/BTN just jams it in pre a fair amount (we burn £25 when this happens), even if we flop a set vs QQ+ he can still hit his 2 outs, if he has QQ he's gonna get away if a A/K flops (like 50% of the time), KK 25% etc.

+1, to the letter

mental imo, its not like we only ever continue if we flop a set. he either has a tight range and we have true implied, or he has a wider range and we can fk with him postflop. cake/eat blablabla

+1

Also, the fact the shorties will often shove the flop can help us win a hand for stacks vs Simon too when we flop a set.

[GreekStein]

Couple of points - not sure if they've been mentioned.

Calling the 3 bet preflop is really bad and just bleeding £.  You may have the implied odds vs Simon, but the BTN and CO are both short and are going to be getting it in on the flop a lot and you don't have the implied odds vs them.

I think not betting the flops really bad... Lots of turns hit gutshots and OESD that don't bet flop cos multi way not to forget oversets.  Also betting the flop gives us the initiative for the turn where we can just bet bet bet vs Simon (and others)

You guys realise that basically the nut situation came up and we only barely won the amount required from our preflop play... The CO/BTN just jams it in pre a fair amount (we burn £25 when this happens), even if we flop a set vs QQ+ he can still hit his 2 outs, if he has QQ he's gonna get away if a A/K flops (like 50% of the time), KK 25% etc.

+1, to the letter

mental imo, its not like we only ever continue if we flop a set. he either has a tight range and we have true implied, or he has a wider range and we can fk with him postflop. cake/eat blablabla

Errrr... seriously?? What if he has a tight range and we fk with him? What if he has a loose range and we need the implieds? Or are we playing in God mode?

Greekstein: Could also argue that the other way, as mentioned in one of Mitch's posts earlier in the thread, there's no point bluffing into a dry side pot, thus one of the other shorties may aid Simon's escape from the hand. Personally I think the short stacks ruin our equity in the hand, by shoving preflop occasionally and by acting after us on the flop in various ways. Without them there, yeah 20:1 is plenty of implieds to set mine in position, but not here imo.

I think when I grow up, I want to be you James.

Having said that, I prob come in for a raise in the first place rather than limping.

[George2Loose]

Couple of points - not sure if they've been mentioned.

Calling the 3 bet preflop is really bad and just bleeding £.  You may have the implied odds vs Simon, but the BTN and CO are both short and are going to be getting it in on the flop a lot and you don't have the implied odds vs them.

I think not betting the flops really bad... Lots of turns hit gutshots and OESD that don't bet flop cos multi way not to forget oversets.  Also betting the flop gives us the initiative for the turn where we can just bet bet bet vs Simon (and others)

You guys realise that basically the nut situation came up and we only barely won the amount required from our preflop play... The CO/BTN just jams it in pre a fair amount (we burn £25 when this happens), even if we flop a set vs QQ+ he can still hit his 2 outs, if he has QQ he's gonna get away if a A/K flops (like 50% of the time), KK 25% etc.

+1, to the letter

mental imo, its not like we only ever continue if we flop a set. he either has a tight range and we have true implied, or he has a wider range and we can fk with him postflop. cake/eat blablabla

Errrr... seriously?? What if he has a tight range and we fk with him? What if he has a loose range and we need the implieds? Or are we playing in God mode?

Greekstein: Could also argue that the other way, as mentioned in one of Mitch's posts earlier in the thread, there's no point bluffing into a dry side pot, thus one of the other shorties may aid Simon's escape from the hand. Personally I think the short stacks ruin our equity in the hand, by shoving preflop occasionally and by acting after us on the flop in various ways. Without them there, yeah 20:1 is plenty of implieds to set mine in position, but not here imo.

Post more pls.... (James not Cos obv)

[NigDawG]

Couple of points - not sure if they've been mentioned.

Calling the 3 bet preflop is really bad and just bleeding £.  You may have the implied odds vs Simon, but the BTN and CO are both short and are going to be getting it in on the flop a lot and you don't have the implied odds vs them.

I think not betting the flops really bad... Lots of turns hit gutshots and OESD that don't bet flop cos multi way not to forget oversets.  Also betting the flop gives us the initiative for the turn where we can just bet bet bet vs Simon (and others)

You guys realise that basically the nut situation came up and we only barely won the amount required from our preflop play... The CO/BTN just jams it in pre a fair amount (we burn £25 when this happens), even if we flop a set vs QQ+ he can still hit his 2 outs, if he has QQ he's gonna get away if a A/K flops (like 50% of the time), KK 25% etc.

+1, to the letter

mental imo, its not like we only ever continue if we flop a set. he either has a tight range and we have true implied, or he has a wider range and we can fk with him postflop. cake/eat blablabla

Errrr... seriously?? What if he has a tight range and we fk with him? What if he has a loose range and we need the implieds? Or are we playing in God mode?

Greekstein: Could also argue that the other way, as mentioned in one of Mitch's posts earlier in the thread, there's no point bluffing into a dry side pot, thus one of the other shorties may aid Simon's escape from the hand. Personally I think the short stacks ruin our equity in the hand, by shoving preflop occasionally and by acting after us on the flop in various ways. Without them there, yeah 20:1 is plenty of implieds to set mine in position, but not here imo.

Post more pls.... (James not Cos obv)

sounds like a "james keys doesn't post enough" whinge to me

[AlexMartin]

Couple of points - not sure if they've been mentioned.

Calling the 3 bet preflop is really bad and just bleeding £.  You may have the implied odds vs Simon, but the BTN and CO are both short and are going to be getting it in on the flop a lot and you don't have the implied odds vs them.

I think not betting the flops really bad... Lots of turns hit gutshots and OESD that don't bet flop cos multi way not to forget oversets.  Also betting the flop gives us the initiative for the turn where we can just bet bet bet vs Simon (and others)

You guys realise that basically the nut situation came up and we only barely won the amount required from our preflop play... The CO/BTN just jams it in pre a fair amount (we burn £25 when this happens), even if we flop a set vs QQ+ he can still hit his 2 outs, if he has QQ he's gonna get away if a A/K flops (like 50% of the time), KK 25% etc.

+1, to the letter

mental imo, its not like we only ever continue if we flop a set. he either has a tight range and we have true implied, or he has a wider range and we can fk with him postflop. cake/eat blablabla

Errrr... seriously?? What if he has a tight range and we fk with him? What if he has a loose range and we need the implieds? Or are we playing in God mode?

Greekstein: Could also argue that the other way, as mentioned in one of Mitch's posts earlier in the thread, there's no point bluffing into a dry side pot, thus one of the other shorties may aid Simon's escape from the hand. Personally I think the short stacks ruin our equity in the hand, by shoving preflop occasionally and by acting after us on the flop in various ways. Without them there, yeah 20:1 is plenty of implieds to set mine in position, but not here imo.

dont tell me this state is a novelty for you

i disagree regarding shorties (see them call this a chunk more than they shove), but i think its probs neutral ev

[pleno1]

interesting thread.

[cambridgealex]

Yeh lol @ mitch in the old days

[strak33]

Rupert ever do anything decent?