Turn flush draw spot

[dousche]

only been sat with villain for 59 hands, he's playing 19/17/14 (vpip/pfr/af), no history to speak of

***** Hand History for Game 16643525019 ***** (Full Tilt)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 08, 06:51:45 ET 2009
Table Savers (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: SB ( $969.70 USD )
Seat 2: BB ( $136.15 USD )
Seat 3: EP ( $203.00 USD )
Seat 4: Villain ( $456.15 USD )
Seat 5: CO ( $200.00 USD )
Seat 6: Hero ( $200.00 USD )
SB posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
BB posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero
Villain (MP) raises $6
Hero (button) calls $6
wackee folds
ohgoliath folds
** Dealing Flop **
Villain bets $8
Hero calls $8
** Dealing Turn **
Villain checks
Hero bets $22
Villain raises $58
Hero ?

what do you do?

Whats villains range when he check-raises the turn?

[iwillwinlots]

fold pre

[GreekStein]

fold pre

never this.

[outragous76]

check call turn if you plan to put $22 in anyway?

as played call to hit and not get funky on the river if you miss

prob a passive line i guess but horrid board

[AlexMartin]

i think i rep Ax better by checking back the turn, which also gives a free card.

also, folding pre isnt how poker was supposed to be played

[TightEnd]

I take the free card on the turn

As I haven't, as played, I'm calling $36 into $111 c3-1 with 9 outs (ie slightly the wrong price) to beat a made hand I suppose. Find his turn check a bit odd tho if he has a big Ace.

Do I think I stack him if one of my hearts comes?. If I think I've got implied then call here. Doubt I have though.

[TheChipPrince]

Check turn, fold now...

[dousche]

i think i rep Ax better by checking back the turn, which also gives a free card.

so what do you do having been raised? enough implieds to draw to hearts? if we call does he ever check to us on a nonheart river? if he does can we bluffshove profitably?

[dousche]

check call turn if you plan to put $22 in anyway?

as played call to hit and not get funky on the river if you miss

prob a passive line i guess but horrid board

check/calling is difficult on the button.

is villains range narrow enough to guarantee paying us off on a heart river?

[EvilPie]

Any merit to 3 betting now?

We know he's quite aggro so if he was betting to protect on the flop surely he's doing the same on the turn?

Instead he decides to check this brick and give us a free card if we want it.

When we put in a small bet he sees the opportunity to pounce so raises to get us off the hand with his bag of bollocks that he'd made his c bet with.

I'm thinking about $140 should get the job done. If he jams it straight in to our eye we obv snap him off because we've now got the odds to hit a flush anyway.

[outragous76]

check call turn if you plan to put $22 in anyway?

as played call to hit and not get funky on the river if you miss

prob a passive line i guess but horrid board

check/calling is difficult on the button.

is villains range narrow enough to guarantee paying us off on a heart river?

meh - didnt see his check - def check behind - cba to correct after 8 other replies - but now you picked me up on it....................

[doubleup]

Any merit to 3 betting now?

We know he's quite aggro so if he was betting to protect on the flop surely he's doing the same on the turn?

Instead he decides to check this brick and give us a free card if we want it.

When we put in a small bet he sees the opportunity to pounce so raises to get us off the hand with his bag of bollocks that he'd made his c bet with.

I'm thinking about $140 should get the job done. If he jams it straight in to our eye we obv snap him off because we've now got the odds to hit a flush anyway.

Think it depends a bit what he thinks of hero.  He could well just think he is a fish with Ax.  There really isn't much chance of hero having a monster on that flop, so a turn 3 bet isn't very credible imo.


 

[EvilPie]

Any merit to 3 betting now?

We know he's quite aggro so if he was betting to protect on the flop surely he's doing the same on the turn?

Instead he decides to check this brick and give us a free card if we want it.

When we put in a small bet he sees the opportunity to pounce so raises to get us off the hand with his bag of bollocks that he'd made his c bet with.

I'm thinking about $140 should get the job done. If he jams it straight in to our eye we obv snap him off because we've now got the odds to hit a flush anyway.

Think it depends a bit what he thinks of hero.  He could well just think he is a fish with Ax.  There really isn't much chance of hero having a monster on that flop, so a turn 3 bet isn't very credible imo.


 

We don't need to have a monster though. We just need oppo to not have a big hand himself.

If we were deeper we couldn't pull this off but it looks like a reasonable semi bluff spot for me.

[doubleup]

Any merit to 3 betting now?

We know he's quite aggro so if he was betting to protect on the flop surely he's doing the same on the turn?

Instead he decides to check this brick and give us a free card if we want it.

When we put in a small bet he sees the opportunity to pounce so raises to get us off the hand with his bag of bollocks that he'd made his c bet with.

I'm thinking about $140 should get the job done. If he jams it straight in to our eye we obv snap him off because we've now got the odds to hit a flush anyway.

Think it depends a bit what he thinks of hero.  He could well just think he is a fish with Ax.  There really isn't much chance of hero having a monster on that flop, so a turn 3 bet isn't very credible imo.


 

We don't need to have a monster though. We just need oppo to have a big hand himself.

If we were deeper we couldn't pull this off but it looks like a reasonable semi bluff spot for me.

don't understand what you mean

[EvilPie]

Any merit to 3 betting now?

We know he's quite aggro so if he was betting to protect on the flop surely he's doing the same on the turn?

Instead he decides to check this brick and give us a free card if we want it.

When we put in a small bet he sees the opportunity to pounce so raises to get us off the hand with his bag of bollocks that he'd made his c bet with.

I'm thinking about $140 should get the job done. If he jams it straight in to our eye we obv snap him off because we've now got the odds to hit a flush anyway.

Think it depends a bit what he thinks of hero.  He could well just think he is a fish with Ax.  There really isn't much chance of hero having a monster on that flop, so a turn 3 bet isn't very credible imo.


 

We don't need to have a monster though. We just need oppo to have a big hand himself.

If we were deeper we couldn't pull this off but it looks like a reasonable semi bluff spot for me.

don't understand what you mean

Edited. Missed a key word