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« on: December 16, 2009, 02:19:02 PM »

1st level in a  $12 45 man on stars blinds 10-20 we are in late position with AKo 3 unknown(non reg) limpers how should i proceed.

i know i should know but i just can't seem to get a good line on this i'm starting to think i should just shove can't be right can it?

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 02:29:04 PM »

I like to limp and peel a lot with AKo, especially OOP, but in this spot I think a 5x or 6x raise is in order to try to avoid 6 way action on the flop where our TPTK won't play well.

Ideally we'll be 3 handed and then I'm happy to give it up most of the time when I miss and stack off vs unknown with TPTK.

If there are 4 or more to the flop I'm defo not c-betting if I miss and they check to me.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 02:30:05 PM »

I always make it 130 to go in this spot.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 02:39:51 PM »

at this level open jam

some numpty will call with AQ

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 02:49:04 PM »

yeah i think im making it either too much or too little make it 80 and we get  4 to the flop make it 170-200 and then i might get it heads up but any c bet is going to be costly.

would you c bet most flops or just check/fold if we miss? i seem to get checkraised an awful lot when i make a continuation bet even on innocuous looking boards Q73 rainbow etc

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 02:54:31 PM »

Ugh the answer to this is that horrible poker answer it depends.

On missed boards, I am more likely to cbet on dryer boards and more likely to cbet if the pot is heads up compared to multiway.

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 03:20:20 PM »

Isolate preflop, big enough to give you the best chance of getting HU, you can work out the size of the raise but something in the range of 140 sounds right.

Vs these numptys just play it ABC. If you flop the goods get max value and if you miss the flop just check it down. The pot won't be that big so it won't be that important if you are taken off your massive A high hand.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 03:23:13 PM »

thanks guys think i have been losing more chips in this type of spot than i really need to making it nearly 200 then folding when i get my c-bet check raised on dry flops all of a sudden ive got 1100 chips and i just had AK, anyway off to see myley cyrus with two 7 year olds  and a sick missus now, wish me luck!!!
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2009, 11:24:31 PM »

at this level open jam

some numpty will call with AQ



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I've played alot of these games. If we 4, 5 or 6x i assume we are calling a jam. Sometimes these fish limp blast with all sorts of stuff ranging from kj kq aj aq ak 22+ just blast imo at this level. seems shit but the amount times i have raised and got like 1-4 callers and c bet folded bricked flopped is just too expensive. if someone has limped massive or wakes up with a hand behind u then so be it. the times we get called by junk makes up for it
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 08:24:59 PM »

Isolate preflop, big enough to give you the best chance of getting HU, you can work out the size of the raise but something in the range of 140 sounds right.

Vs these numptys just play it ABC. If you flop the goods get max value and if you miss the flop just check it down. The pot won't be that big so it won't be that important if you are taken off your massive A high hand.

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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2009, 06:01:10 PM »

at this level open jam

some numpty will call with AQ



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I've played alot of these games. If we 4, 5 or 6x i assume we are calling a jam. Sometimes these fish limp blast with all sorts of stuff ranging from kj kq aj aq ak 22+ just blast imo at this level. seems shit but the amount times i have raised and got like 1-4 callers and c bet folded bricked flopped is just too expensive. if someone has limped massive or wakes up with a hand behind u then so be it. the times we get called by junk makes up for it

massive plus one, the amount of times AJ and AQ are huge

the other line i would take is make it 130-150 and c bet alot of flops but obv depending on hw many callers pre and texture
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 11:40:12 AM »

Isolate preflop, big enough to give you the best chance of getting HU, you can work out the size of the raise but something in the range of 140 sounds right.

Vs these numptys just play it ABC. If you flop the goods get max value and if you miss the flop just check it down. The pot won't be that big so it won't be that important if you are taken off your massive A high hand.

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